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Old 05-07-2004, 03:01 PM   #29
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we show both our silver male, and our cream girl. Big standard poodles
Getting off topic, here is a cream male from Funtyme kennels that I just purchased for and delivered to my sister in TX.
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Old 05-07-2004, 03:06 PM   #30
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<Shock collars?> I don't like the idea of electric fences either...
We fostered a hound for a while. The only way we could keep him in the yard was a combination of a fence AND a radio collar. He would dig under or climb over the fence without the collar, but the tingle of the collar would dissuade him from spending enough time near the fence to work his way past it.

After we put up the wire perimeter, I tested the collar on myself before putting it on him. It gave a disturbing tingle, but it was not painful. I couldn't put it on him without first knowing what he would experience.
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So is having a dog on a run between 2 trees bad?, in an RV camp? she is used to that (during UPS truck hours), but I wonder about other dogs coming up to her. thanks for advice silver suz
Suz, my feeling is a run is fine if you are there with the dog and can observe her. I have objections to the folks who tie the dogs out and then disappear. Keep in mind you do have to be concerned about other roaming animals and also roaming kids. They don't know your pet and the last thing you want is your dog being held over due to a bite or a nip.

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But what if you want to go for a walk and your dog can't come?? (No dogs allowed) Actually we treat our kids much better than the dogs- they are more farm dogs-not that we dont feed, vet care and pet them They just always stay at home and guard the farm so to speak. I have been letting them in the house more to the detrement of my health. I have heard that people have cages for their animals that they stay in for a day or the night. I always thought that cruel, but more and more people say it's ok.
Do you know anyone who trains seizure dogs? I would like to get one, yet feel kids should get them (to go to college etc)and they are so expensive to train. I have talked to a TX group and they were kind of discouraging as I don't have the fall down frothing at the mouth kind of seizure. They didnt know what the dog would do to help. I was hoping it could signal for help. Also having a service dog kind of signals that something could go wrong with the person, also help pull me out of bad situatuions.. don't know..discouraged about it.. and too sick to persue it. suz
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But what if you want to go for a walk and your dog can't come?? (No dogs allowed) Actually we treat our kids much better than the dogs- they are more farm dogs-not that we dont feed, vet care and pet them They just always stay at home and guard the farm so to speak. I have been letting them in the house more to the detrement of my health. I have heard that people have cages for their animals that they stay in for a day or the night. I always thought that cruel, but more and more people say it's ok.

Actually, I use two different kinds of crates (or cages!) The one I use the most is a fold down wire crate, folds to about 4 inches thick. My dogs love these... they can be out of the way, protected, safe, and still observe the action. Outside at shows, the crate can be covered with a piece of shadecloth, or a bit of tarp in inclement weather. The size I use is 48 long, 30 wide, 36 high, and they will readily share one crate. As far as I am concerned, this is an unexpendable piece of equipment for ANY dog owner! And I have set one up in our Excella!
The plastic kind I also use, mostly at home. My dogs consider this their den, and often go there for a nap or time out. The size is about 36 long by 26 wide by 27 high. Even my cat likes it! And I about died the time I saw both big dogs and the cat exit it! Talk about laugh? I did get my butt re-attached.....
My dogs like them, and it is not a punishment or jail cell.

Do you know anyone who trains seizure dogs? I would like to get one, yet feel kids should get them (to go to college etc)and they are so expensive to train. I have talked to a TX group and they were kind of discouraging as I don't have the fall down frothing at the mouth kind of seizure. They didnt know what the dog would do to help. I was hoping it could signal for help.

Don't know anyone who trains them, but do know of someone who has a seizure alert dog, a standard poodle because of allergies. Her dog lets her know when a seizure is coming so she can get to a safe place, sit down, etc.

Also having a service dog kind of signals that something could go wrong with the person, also help pull me out of bad situatuions.. don't know..discouraged about it.. and too sick to persue it. suz
Hmmm. Service dogs don't signal that to me. Mainly because I'm familiar with the law. Service dogs can be used for many things, from hearing to picking things up to emotional support. Busineses cannot ask you why you have one, or what your disbility is. They can ask what specific tasks the dog is trained to do.
Do a search for service dogs on webcrawler or other search engine. And consider a poodle of some variety to help your allergies.

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thanks for being so thoughtful. I was feeling down from being so sick- a bacterial infection I can't kick- on a different designer drug for a month now. A standard poodle is a very good idea as I have heard they have less allergens, and people like hair. There is a paw shaped device a dog can press to summon 911. that's what I'd like. Thanks again, suz
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There is a paw shaped device a dog can press to summon 911. that's what I'd like. Thanks again, suz
Check your state's laws for what makes a ervice dog. Here in Iowa, a dog to be a credited service dog does not have to be trained by certain school or such. You could clicker train your dog to press the device yourelf, and ergo! A service dog is born! Here in iowa, a service dog, OR Service Dog In Training may go anywhere and everywhere. I've taken them to Target, WalMart, Sam's Club, Dillard's, and so on. Only at Sam's Club was the dog's presence questioned, but readily allowed with the magic statement: This is a Service Dog In Training. I've done some socializing for dogs in training, and both of mine could be classed a Service for my husband, brain injury from a trucking accident. The dogs keep him focussed, and calm in situations when he might otherwise become extremely frustrated, or even disorientated....

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You might try a Boxer. They have hair, not fur. Many people with allergies have turned to this fine dog. They were bred for Service. They are very clean and have no odor, except for farts . They are NOT an outside dog. They are family members. Females are not as hyper as the males. I have had 7 of them over 30 years.

We have trained everyone of them to stand in front of us and help us get off the couch, among other things. They are one of the most popular seeing eye dogs due to their keen night vision. They are so much fun and yet they will defend the family to the end.
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We just got back from our shakedown cruise yesterday. I'll post about the rest elsewhere, but the pooch had a lousy time. He may be staying home from now on.
First we had to get him a haircut the day before we left, because his hair was full of stickers and weed seeds from running around the desert where we live. The groomer did her best, but had to take off a lot of hair, and nicked him a couple times. The hitch jack is diferent on this trailer, and the truck's tailgate no longer goes all the way down, so we had to help him into the back where his kennel is, and he had trouble getting down as well.

Apparently he strained a muscle somewhere along the line, because he just wasn't right until we gave him an aspirin the following day. He didn't want to eat, and didn't seem very happy about the situation unless we were walking him somewhere. He never misbehaved, and only barked once, but he didn't seem to enjoy himself this trip. It was also his frist trip to the mountains so maybe the altitude didn't agree with him, but I think he will stay home for awhile.

We couldn't put him up in his kennel for the return home because we thought it would be painful, and there is no room in the cab of the truck, so he rode in the trailer. He didn't seem to be bothered by it, and he could see us through the front window. Whenever we stopped to check on him, he would either be laying on one of the twins in the middle, or the couch in the front. The AS doesn't move around when being towed like other trailers we've had, and none of the load shifted on the way up, so I wasn't too worried about him riding in back, and I am sure he would have voiced his displeasure if it hadn't been okay.
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One of the reasons we went the Airstream route was to be able to take our dogs with us. We love them. We always keep them on their leashes, and always pickup after them.

Well that just about says it all! - I know the second page to this thread went way off topic and sometimes that happens - no big deal - but just listening to all you pet owners sort of hit me up the side of the head.

The big reason we went the trailer - A/S route was exactly that - because we were tired of having to leave our dogs behind - we missed them terribly and they missed us. They are big girls and can be quite a burden on those looking after them. So we ended up not going anywhere. As we will not put them in kennels - we almost did not go on a trip this past Winter (ha ha to get MoonBeam) if it were not for really good friends of my parents and ours- and they love dogs and have had dogs all their lives till recently.

So after considerable thought - and a bit of "through caution to the wind" Taz & Haily will be going streaming in less than two weeks. They are our "furbabies" and we will not leave them. They are nice natured dogs, full of fun and love people when they come to visit. They follow our every move when we are in the gardens and same when we are in the house - what ever room we are in they move or follow us there.

Yes it is a big Rally - but not much happening at the rally - no seminars - a bit of golf - which we will pass and an evening catered dinner - which we will definately pass - cause I prefer Hubbies cooking!!! We are going with great new friends from this forum who also have a little dog Toby - who - if we were not taking our girls he would be staying at home to (and that little fellow just loves the trailer) Between the four of us they will be taken care of 24/7 leaving always a few hands too look after any A/S crisis.

At the rate we are going with our Moon Beam there will not be any crisis left!! by the time we get to the rally.

So to all those who said - leav'em - I totally understand how you feel and appreciate your support in leaving them - but if you had kids at any point (which we have not) you should know sometimes you just gota let go. And things may be big and scary - they will have to face a big Rally at some point so why not now (and if [when] they come through with flying colours any other camping trip will be a walk in the park.)

And to all those who said tak'em - thanks for reminding us that we have a couple of great dogs - who we know will steel the show. Besides we are going with no water heater and the jury is out on the furnace - so with trickle power there is not much chance of our electrical heater working - so we will need the body heat

Plan on camping out very shortly in the driveway - just to see how everyone fits and to get the girls used to sleeping in their new surroundings. They already take refuge in their from the sun and bugs so we don't think they will have a problem. We will start them wearing their collars this week - so when we get to the rally the scratching will have subsided and that way no one will think we all have fleas Might even break out the wire line for a "tieout"???? - rope is no good as Haily and Taz would chew through it if we left them - and I just do not do the chain think. We will have their Car harness, boat harness and collars so I think we will be more than prepared. Along with the great checklists on the other thread and hopefully some real nice understanding people out at our first Rally WE WILL HAVE A BALL!!!!!!

As you can see Haily has claimed her spot already - and Taz well she will settle as soon as that other Black Dog (in the mirror) lies down
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Old 05-11-2004, 01:30 PM   #39
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Good choice. I am sure you will make it work. We also have an AS so we can take our dogs anywhere we go. Our dogs have always been our surrogate children, and we're happy to do the little extra things to make the trips as enjoyable for them as for us.

One problem is that we took Windsor to the South Carolina Coastal Unit rally over New Year's Eve. He loved all the dogs and kids. Every rally we've gone to since then he goes looking for everyone he met there and always comes back to the MH a little disappointed.
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I am glad you decided to take them. It sounds like they would not be happy if they were left behind. Just like you, I don't have children and mine follow me whereever I go.

A funny flea market story--years ago I owned a Doberman that was obedience and protection trained, and she could also track. She absolutely loved children and got the opportunity to play with children often as lots of our friends had kids. One day I had her at the flea market (on lead, of course) and heard a woman screaming hysterically behind me. I turned around to see what was going on and her daughter (about 4 yrs old) was petting my dog on the head. The child was fine, but the mother was definitely not. I assured her that her child was ok and she calmed down. She even petted my dog too!
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People can be so crazy. I think taking the dogs along is more my problem than theirs. They are fine in the car, in the trailer, even with crowds of people around. I'M THE ONE who worries and fusses and doesn't have a good time sometimes. If you can be relaxed and just enjoy the trip and see how it goes, I'll bet you'll all have a fun time at the rally. Your dogs look like such sweeties

For us, we've decided to leave the pooches home for both of the big rallys we're going to this summer. I don't think they care about polishing demonstrations very much anyway. We'll take some other trips this summer so they can get in their 'beach time'.
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Great choice! Take them and have lots of fun!!

We take our babies everywhere even canoeing! They just love it!

I've read this thread thoroughly and once again I'm amazed by "some" dog owners's mentality and most "non" owners.

Let dogs be dogs!

We call them kids and treat them with more love and respect than many parents have for their human kids but we don't let ourselves forget that they are dogs and therefore love to do doggie stuff: run (off leash of course all the rest just ain't running), bark (that's talking, not shouting! Read Stanley Coren's book and learn how to speak Dog), socialize (YES dogs have a social life! let them live theirs not YOURS), play (even without you), eat, explore (sniff around), have fun etc.

I don't want anyone to get this the wrong way, what I'm trying to explain is that there should be more tollerance and respect for who the dog really is and NOT what WE want him/her to be!

It's a long and complicated issue and there are various opinions out there. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here, just venting my frustration with certain attitudes I see.

Having owned different dogs all my life, I can only speak from what I have experienced and seen in the different necks of the woods I have lived in and travelled to.

There are places where people are not so scared of being sued or not being in control, and there, dogs walk by their owners without having ever even known what a leash is. They meet other dogs - yes even big and feisty ones - exchange their looks and various socializing moves and get on with their day.

Sure once in a while there's a bite but less than the other places. Why? Tollerance. People see free dogs and don't panic, they're used to it. Dogs are used to taking the subway, going on a bus, dining at a restaurant and walking in and out of fancy stores in the city center. They cross their daily life with us humans and co-exist peacefully and harmoniously.

All my previous dogs grew up and lived happy healthy lifes like that. Unfortunately my two babies here live in a much less free environment, surrounded by people who will scream and shriek just at their sight. They're a Husky and a shepard/husky mix, both loving, affectionate and harmless.

ie our substitute mail woman calls our older pup "perro lobo" and has tried to pepper spray him just because when fully under control - in a sit position and held on a short leash 10 feet away from her, he gave one bark when he saw her open our mail box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As with human kids I believe we should teach our pet kids to be respectful of others (humans and dogs alike) without denying them who they are. After all there are some annoying people out there just as there are some annoying dogs but that's just the way life is. We simply need to be more understanding and respect all - animals included.
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