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Old 07-14-2004, 11:23 PM   #1
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Pets, Barking and Whines - A Sane Discussion Please

I'd like to have a sane discussion on barking dogs, dog that whine, wimper and howl when they are away, owners that are yelling or stage whispering "shhish" (sic) "quiet" or owners that know about the whining and wimpering.

I am a pet owner. My dog barks when someone approaches me or the rig. 2 or 3 times then stops. When left in the trailer - he sleeps. I always ask the neighbors if he has been a problem or barked and am told no. I leave a note on my door with the cellphone - that if the dog is problem call and I will come take care of it.

What is it with fellow airstream owners that own every toy - that will not invest in a bark collar to "train" or break their dogs of the "anxiety" or loneliness bark? Think that verbally correcting the dog is going to work - Now we are listening to the owner as well as the dog?

What is it with owners that when approached if their dog was alright 'cause it has been wimpering and whining for the last 6 to 8 hours - respond with "oh yea we know - lot's of times we can hear her when we pull into a campground?" Well what about the rest of us that just spent our saturday listening to your dog? and you know this goes on and on? You are well seasoned campers. Don't think that cause you're seniors this behavior is any more acceptable.

What can we do about the OWNERS who need training.
1) Yes, dogs are pets and our friends.
2) Protective barking is one thing
3) Lonely yapping and anxiety barking are trainable and unacceptable.
4) Consideration of your neighbors should be more important than the noise our dogs create.
5) Even other pet (dog owners) don't like the barking.

What would be the outcome if dogs were just banned at rallies?
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That all dogs must use a bark collar or other anti bark device (silent to humans)?

Dogs that go on as mentioned above are miserable to begin with.
Training is humane not training is cruel to the animal and the rest of us.
Comments, Suggestions?

Anyone similar to the above - please join the dialog.
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Old 07-15-2004, 12:48 AM   #2
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Here is another thread that ran a few months ago > http://www.airforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9739
For me, it's a problem that equals dogs who are not kept on leash and people who don't clean up after their pets. Sure makes it rough on the rest sometimes.
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For those of us who believe our dogs are as important as anyone else's children, we would never dream of leaving our dogs in a situation where they would be uncomfortable or stressed for any length of time.

As I often say, "would you do that to your child?". In other words, would you lock your child in your trailer for hours? A "no bark collar" as you suggest does not eliminate the loneliness or anxiety, it eliminates the barking. Your dog is likely just as stressed as before. Some are perfectly comfortable with the situation, others are not. Not a fix, IMHO.

We go to extremes to make sure that our dogs are cared for and tended to and that means putting ourselves in their shoes and treating them just as you would treat a child. Of course, we don't put our children on leashes because there aren't leash laws for children yet... Good idea!

I think if everyone were to be a bit more responsible it would solve the problem. We park far away from everyone so we don't affect others with our dogs (they don't bark because they are never left alone). Sure, it means giving up the trip to the mall or taking them to restaurants where they can dine outside with us. But they are worth it.

BTW, we "pack out" their poop.
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Old 07-15-2004, 08:01 AM   #4
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well stated. The issue with pets and children, becomes similiar in that some folks take them for granted.
People who throw out their trash at the campsites, leave their dogs tied up or shut in for hours and hours....let their kids run wild, all symptoms of the self centered non cooperative nature. Watch folks at the beach letting thier dogs crap on the public walk areas, and throwing their cigarette butts out on the sand....or dumoing ashtrays out the door at a stop light...don't get me started!!!
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Old 07-15-2004, 09:15 AM   #5
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Thumbs down Re Barking collars

Hello.. would not use one.. we had invisible fencing and it has turned our Lhasa into a neurotic dog .. only experienced the shock once.. but it was the warning beeps that have so traumatised our precious pet.. believe me , we worked with the people who sell this .. any beep of any kind sends him into shaky fits.. never will use anything like that again.. and definitely not a barking collar.. invisible fencing was gone immediately.. Our Toby is too precious to us to use any devices of any kind.. even it is supposed to be kind..Marvin and Annie
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Old 07-15-2004, 09:20 AM   #6
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Hello.. would not use one.. we had invisible fencing and it has turned our Lhasa into a neurotic dog .. only experienced the shock once.. but it was the warning beeps that have so traumatised our precious pet.. believe me , we worked with the people who sell this .. any beep of any kind sends him into shaky fits.. never will use anything like that again.. and definitely not a barking collar.. invisible fencing was gone immediately.. Our Toby is too precious to us to use any devices of any kind.. even it is supposed to be kind..Marvin and Annie

A "spot on" reply. Very true! We used to field search and rescue dogs and would never dream of using a shock collar (either remote controlled or as part of an "invisible fence") because of correlation issues. You never know what the dog might be correlating the shock or "beep" to. It is probably not to the wire buried in the ground but to something that makes sense to them; a tree or other landmark. They might see a similar "landmark" while on a search and it might affect their performance in possibly saving a life...
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Our neighbors had a barky dog for several years - they also tried a bark collar. The end result was bizarre.... The dog would bark once (or twice) be "disciplined" by the collar then whine in discomfort or frustration. What we heard daily - repeatedly, was:

bark
brief silence
whine

bark
brief silence
whine

bark
brief silence
whine

over and over and over and over and over........
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Old 07-15-2004, 12:17 PM   #8
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For those of us who believe our dogs are as important as anyone else's children, we would never dream of leaving our dogs in a situation where they would be uncomfortable or stressed for any length of time.
I'm with Xray, our dog is one of the family and we would not place him in that situation. If we intended to camp and leave the dog, and this dog barked and whined when alone, we would not leave him to be miserable along with bothering everyone else around us. Shock training IMHO is barbaric.

It's all about the dog around here and Ernie goes where we go or we don't go. Part of the reason to get an AS is so we can all go!

BTW, our 19' bambi ccd goes into production the 29th...yipeeee!
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I own a barky dog, I'll admit it. She just loves to 'talk'! 'Talks' about EVERYTHING day and night at home, drives us nuts. We've had her for ten years and she was like this the day she came home, and she'll probably go out of this world barking I would NEVER use a shock collar on her, or one of those spray collars. I think she has a right to vocalize just like anyone else.

The odd part is that she's actually quiet when left alone, unless someone comes too close. That's because she really is communicating with us, not just barking out of loneliness. So we do sometimes leave them in the trailer and go out to dinner. No complaints yet. But my preference is to take them everywhere with us when we travel. That way they're never out of my sight and I know they're safe. I've watched from a distance as people walked right up to the car they were in and she just watches them through the window "I don't know you, so I don't have anything to say to you".

But when we come back to the trailer, whether or not they were left alone or if they are with us, there's always some barking. Can't be helped. We tell her to 'be quiet' and she does after a few barks. We try hard not to let her get going at night.

We had a trainer one time who directed us to tell her one 'be quiet' and then if she didn't immediately stop, catch her and squeeze a few drops of lemon juice in her mouth. This resulted in her barking like mad, and then barking as a great chase through the house ensued, only to get some nasty lemon juice in her mouth. She'd give me a dirty look like "well, you're no fun", and stalk away. I felt like a heel, and I don't think she ever associated the lemon juice with the barking. This is one of the training methods I tried but didn't work. She's my first dog, so I took a lot of 'expert' advice that I now know better. Shaking cans with pennies in them caused her to bark more - "Wow! did you hear that? What was that? Let me see!" as she's bouncing up and down like a little circus dog trying to get the can!

Anyway, we try to be responsible pet owners, not to leave her alone, not to let her get going at night when she'd disturb others. Dogs who bark because they're alone are scared or lonely, and their owners should care enough not to leave them alone if they're like that. Not everyone is that in tune with their dogs, or has sense enough to care. Or they just put their enjoyment of going out ahead of their dogs (and neighbors) discomfort. But you can't change the way other people handle their pets, if we could I'd do something about my idiot neighbors who's dogs 'live' in a dog run behind their house (when they're not running loose because they've escaped - they're on their third dog in five years, the other two got hit by cars!)

But rules to ban dogs just annoy those of us who follow the rules, and those who ignored them before will ignore them anyway. I've been to local parks that ban dogs only to see folks breaking the rules and playing with their dogs, while I left mine at home!
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DOGS, DOGS, BARKING, WHINING, YAPPING DOGS!
What a subject. Personaly, I hate barkers, really hate them.
Something that helps stop the uncontrolled barking when the owner is absent from the dog is simple: confinement. Pure and simple. Either confine the animal to a small space (think bathroom here) or crate the critter! Crates are not a cruel device, rather, they, if used properly, contribute to a dog's sense of security. A crate is den-like to a dog, a safe place. I keep one set up all the time for my dogs. Each uses it as wanted, both use it to nap in. One of the funniest sights I have seen is each of my standard poodles exit the crate one at a time, followed by one of our cats! That was one hundred ten pounds of dog followed by twenty one pounds of cat! All in a kennel claimed to be the size for one forty pound dog!
Crates serve many purposes, come in many sizes and styles. The most practical for a travel trailer would most likely be a wire folding variety. These are available from http://www.petedge.com/ (and other sources), fold to about four inches in thickness and are easy to store.
This link will take you directly to the folding crate page:
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As an aside, these crates can be covered quickly with a sheet, towel or the like, to provide more privacy, or semi darkness for the dog.
I routinely travel with two of the largest size made (48L X 30W X 36 H) and I know one that size will set up inside our 31' Excella and still leave us a little space around it!

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I own a barky dog, I'll admit it. She just loves to 'talk'! 'Talks' about EVERYTHING day and night at home, drives us nuts. We've had her for ten years and she was like this the day she came home, and she'll probably go out of this world barking
Stephany,

Chances are that what you consider "talking" by your dog, are actually annoying "obsenities" to people who enjoy solitude . . . day or night. By the way, I too am a dog owner.
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It's possible This is why I try to spare others from having to listen to her conversations - however I quite enjoy her at home! Her personality is so bubbly and happy I would hate to change it for the worse by stifling her self expression

I perfer camping sites away from others whenever possible, and the others probably appreciate that too! BTW, neither pooch is attending the VAC rally with us, so no worries there.
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Old 07-15-2004, 05:22 PM   #13
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Wink Love, Praise, and Affection

I would suggest a loving and constructive method of training your dog. My favorite dog trainer is Mathew Margolis (Uncle Matty) and founder of The National Institute of Dog Training. The pioneer of "love, praise and affection" training, Uncle Matty emphasizes that there is never a good reason to hit, yell at, or punish a dog.

Uncle Matty has had a series of broadcasts on PBS titled, "Woof! It's a Dog's Life." One broadcast featured him correcting the "Agressive behavior" of a dog barking at oncoming strangers in less than 5 minutes. He is amazing!

I recommend you visit his website
http://www.matthewmargolis.com. The website is very animated and informative. Do some reading on his website and if you like, he has a number of video/DVD products that could help you.

Give it a try, and by all means don't use the Bark Collar or the Crate to terrorize your pet! I hope this is helpful.
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