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Old 04-18-2016, 11:56 PM   #29
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We are trying to plan a trip to the southern parts of Utah, Bryce, Zion, Arches, etc. We have an almost one year old Golden Retriever. All my on line research tells us that dogs are not welcome in the National Parks. We were planning the trip for April of this year and thought we would be camping in National Forests or State Parks where dogs would be more welcome, but the National Forest camp grounds do not seem to be open until mid May.

Does anyone have any experience camping in southern Utah and visiting the National Parks with a dog, in the spring, that they can pass along.

It would be much appreciated.
The Doggy Dude Ranch in Rockville, outside of Zion NP, is a good kennel for either day care or overnight stays, but reservations are recommended.

The thing about Zion is that by April, you can access the main part of Zion Canyon only by NPS shuttle due to heavy visitor use, meaning you would have to leave your dog in your RV for hours while you tour the park.

Have you got reservations for these places? They will be extremely crowded.
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Old 04-19-2016, 05:12 AM   #30
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Have you got reservations for these places? They will be extremely crowded.
That OP was from over 8 years ago.
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I love the insane doggy arguments. Who decided that dogs were it? I can step out of my trailer to a door mat left behind by a bear. Geese have made many areas more treacherous than a Mogadishu mine field. But I am protected form mans best friend.
I gave up owning a dog when the leash laws presented themselves. I would not restrain a dog and thus will not own a dog. In my younger days we had TOWN dogs. Dogs that had an owner but were free to roam and loved buy all they came in contact with. I remember Coco, a huge black lab the came to my front door every night at 6 o clock. Coco would come in, go to the kitchen, and check what was for dinner. If he liked it he stayed if not on to the next house. How did we ever survive prior to the beneficial efforts of the Do Gooders?
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Sigh, reading an old post but responding. We have two 4 legged best buds. They love to hit the road as much as we do. If they aren't welcome neither are we so we move on. This is a big country and there are plenty of wonderful places where these wonderful creatures are welcomed and loved. For all those who have not had an opportunity to share quality time with mans (and woman's) best friend I highly encourage it! You will be better for it.
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I love the insane doggy arguments. Who decided that dogs were it? I can step out of my trailer to a door mat left behind by a bear. Geese have made many areas more treacherous than a Mogadishu mine field. But I am protected form mans best friend.
I gave up owning a dog when the leash laws presented themselves. I would not restrain a dog and thus will not own a dog. In my younger days we had TOWN dogs. Dogs that had an owner but were free to roam and loved buy all they came in contact with. I remember Coco, a huge black lab the came to my front door every night at 6 o clock. Coco would come in, go to the kitchen, and check what was for dinner. If he liked it he stayed if not on to the next house. How did we ever survive prior to the beneficial efforts of the Do Gooders?

I was in Vigo Spain last year for a couple of weeks. It is still that way there. In a very metropolitan area, dogs follow their humans around off leash on the sidewalks, or wherever they might be going. Not just a few dogs, most dogs. Dogs don't want to be squished by cars anymore than we do, and are fully capable of learning not to be squished, just like we are, if they are given an appropriate level of responsibility. Once I was walking down the sidewalk, and noticed a dog not obviously associated with anyone. After a while, I thought it was lost. I mentioned this to a couple (good opportunity to practice my Spanish), and they said something like, "Oh no! He belongs to ___________ (gesturing to someone vaguely visible down the block). I wish it were still that way here too.
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I was in Vigo Spain last year for a couple of weeks. It is still that way there. In a very metropolitan area, dogs follow their humans around off leash on the sidewalks, or wherever they might be going. Not just a few dogs, most dogs. Dogs don't want to be squished by cars anymore than we do, and are fully capable of learning not to be squished, just like we are, if they are given an appropriate level of responsibility. Once I was walking down the sidewalk, and noticed a dog not obviously associated with anyone. After a while, I thought it was lost. I mentioned this to a couple (good opportunity to practice my Spanish), and they said something like, "Oh no! He belongs to ___________ (gesturing to someone vaguely visible down the block). I wish it were still that way here too.
Its wonderful to see well behaved dogs walking unleashed. The only issue is who gets to be the judge of well behaved. Just like your experience in Spain I was in Hong Kong this past weekend. Lots of nice well behaved dogs running around unleashed on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. In fact two really cute ones ran after each other right under the table I was sitting at enjoying a beer. The end result was was two bloody dogs and one person who I assume was one of the owners taken away in a ambulance.
So we have rules and there are reasons for them.
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Additionally the streets of Madrid as well as other European cities remind of NYC growing up in the 1970s. Dog crap everywhere. Something I would prefer not to go back to.
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Additionally the streets of Madrid as well as other European cities remind of NYC growing up in the 1970s. Dog crap everywhere. Something I would prefer not to go back to.

Is this a problem of having to pick up after your dog, or a problem of well trained dogs off leash? I didn't notice this problem in Vigo. Perhaps the citizens of Vigo pick up after their dogs better than those of Madrid? Would this be less of a problem if the dogs of Madrid were leashed? Or is it a matter of perception? Is having to walk around one log in a block "dog crap everywhere?" All I can say is, people and dogs and traffic seemed to coexist better in Vigo than I've seen here in the US.
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Its wonderful to see well behaved dogs walking unleashed. The only issue is who gets to be the judge of well behaved. Just like your experience in Spain I was in Hong Kong this past weekend. Lots of nice well behaved dogs running around unleashed on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. In fact two really cute ones ran after each other right under the table I was sitting at enjoying a beer. The end result was was two bloody dogs and one person who I assume was one of the owners taken away in a ambulance.

So we have rules and there are reasons for them.

And how many violent confrontations were there between human beings in Hong Kong during the same hour?
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Is this a problem of having to pick up after your dog, or a problem of well trained dogs off leash? I didn't notice this problem in Vigo. Perhaps the citizens of Vigo pick up after their dogs better than those of Madrid? Would this be less of a problem if the dogs of Madrid were leashed? Or is it a matter of perception? Is having to walk around one log in a block "dog crap everywhere?" All I can say is, people and dogs and traffic seemed to coexist better in Vigo than I've seen here in the US.
Obviously this particular post was in reference to picking up after your dog. I'm not sure if it's a law in the European cities I'm familiar with. If it is it is not strictly enforced.
In NYC I never see crap on the street, in Paris , Madrid and other European cities there is a lot. Everywhere might be an exaggeration if you took that to mean I meant they painted it on every inch of the city then I'm sorry for your misunderstanding. By a lot I mean at least one or two in the middle of the side walk on every block. My first post addressed the problem of dogs off theirs leashes. I'm sure the owners in Hong Kong had well behaved dogs too.
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And how many violent confrontations were there between human beings in Hong Kong during the same hour?

Absolutely none that I encountered. If you care to do some research it was about 1 pm local time in Hong Kong April 1 st.
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I don't get where your going with this. Unfortunately rules are in place for the 10 percenters who need them. I'm sure your dog is well behaved. How would you like it if he encountered someone's not so well behaved unleashed pit bull? Do you think he would stand a chance?
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I don't get where your going with this. Unfortunately rules are in place for the 10 percenters who need them. I'm sure your dog is well behaved. How would you like it if he encountered someone's not so well behaved unleashed pit bull? Do you think he would stand a chance?

Where I'm going with this is that I'm willing to take the chance that I can protect my dog off leash, knowing that I may not be able to do that, the same as I'm willing to take the chance that I can protect myself off leash, knowing that I may not be able to do that either. The perception of the people in Vigo was that dogs were normal occupants of the sidewalks, the same as people. There was a sense of peacefulness and acceptance of dogs in Vigo that is absent here. In two weeks in Vigo, I observed no incidences of problems with dogs off leash on the sidewalks. Probably there were some that I didn't observe.

Of course, during the day you referenced in Hong Kong, you didn't notice any incidences of violence between people, either. In fact (averaging from yearly statistics) in Hong Kong that day there were 30 incidences of violence between people, a 36 year low. I'm sure there were more than that in New York. Perhaps we could reduce that if people were better controlled?

I really don't see why laws pertaining to dogs should be different from laws pertaining to human beings. It is against the law for human beings to attack each other. They do anyway, and yet we go about our business playing the odds and hoping we aren't attacked. The odds are low enough that we don't worry about it that much. I have walked around the blocks in my neighborhood with Lupe off leash thousands of times in the 5 years since I've had her, and she has had countless encounters with other dogs, none resulting in violence. If I said the same thing about walks with my wife, it wouldn't even be worth commenting on, but somehow with Lupe, it is.
Why?
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