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Old 09-26-2017, 09:24 AM   #1
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Leaving the engine running

We are newbies (five times out). It is unseasonably warm in the north and we are traveling with our dog. I see quite of you seasoned RVers leave the engine running, with the AC running when dining in a local eatery for about an hour or less. My husband is nervous to do this in our 2015 F150. Is there a chance this is hard/bad on the engine?
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We are newbies (five times out). It is unseasonably warm in the north and we are traveling with our dog. I see quite of you seasoned RVers leave the engine running, with the AC running when dining in a local eatery for about an hour or less. My husband is nervous to do this in our 2015 F150. Is there a chance this is hard/bad on the engine?
It isn't very good for the engine, but occasional extended idling isn't going to damage anything for the number of times you are likely to do it.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:37 AM   #3
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It isn't very good for the engine, but occasional extended idling isn't going to damage anything for the number of times you are likely to do it.


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We are newbies (five times out). It is unseasonably warm in the north and we are traveling with our dog. I see quite of you seasoned RVers leave the engine running, with the AC running when dining in a local eatery for about an hour or less. My husband is nervous to do this in our 2015 F150. Is there a chance this is hard/bad on the engine?
Never ever. Sorry to be the dissenting vote. The catalyst and turbos on these engines stay very hot and I would never ever leave a dog or human inside a running car. Too much can happen. Especially on grass. Fought enough vehicle fires that I won't even nap inside a car with a tank of gasoline attached. Until recently I wouldn't even park inside my attached garage, shut off, without disconnecting the battery.

Police vehicles are sometimes equipped with an automatic door opener to protect canines that must be left in the car, because engines can stall or run out of fuel.

Diesel may be another story.
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Living in Texas, we do this all the time when we travel with the dog in the summer. I don't usually let it sit around idling for an hour, but often for shorter 10-20 minute stints while going in for the bathroom or to pick something up in the convenience store after filling up, etc. As mentioned above, extended idling isn't beneficial to the vehicle but using it occasionally isn't going to cost you much. It gave me new appreciation for Ford's keyless entry keypad, too, though there are other ways to make it work if you don't have that, and newer pushbutton-start vehicles make it even easier though my new truck honks at me when I close the door from outside with the key in my pocket.
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Personally, I never leave dogs alone in any vehicle with the engine running. Its too easy for some thief to punch out a window, release the dogs, and drive off with your vehicle.

If we are out in hot weather with the dogs on a trip, I will let the rig idle, dogs in their crates or harnesses, with a human on board as safety watch, while one of us goes to get take-out food...then we eat in the truck. The dogs generally have enough manners to let us eat in peace.

If the weather is cool enough to keep the AS comfortable with just fans running, the rig is parked in the shade, AS window open to get fresh air, and the truck is locked and alarmed. Dogs are in their crates in the AS for a short period. Cool enough is air temperature less than 80, with reasonable humidity.

My current upgrade is to set up a propane-powered generator in the truck bed, add a front power inlet, and set up to run that genset for brief periods to keep the air running. I would still have a human in attendance while the dogs are in the cooled trailer...so takeout would be consumed in the trailer...dog manners enforced by the crates.

Pets (furkids) are members of our family--I would not leave a small child in a running truck under any circumstances while wife and I ate in a restaurant...its flat not worth the risk of air conditioning failure, a fire, or theft...its not about the engine or the vehicles!
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I responded above about the mechanical issues related to extended idling. Short version: Not good for the engine, but a few times isn't going to kill it.

Don't have dogs, assume they would be restrained, but don't really have an opinion on that aspect.

I would never leave a child inside a running unattended vehicle, locked or not.

Our history with this isn't high ambient temperatures, but rather parking outside at -40 and below. The rule with rental cars north of 60 was that if you were worried if they would start in the morning, don't shut them off. You had two keys for that reason. Same with our own vehicles in the supermarket lot. Somebody could have broken in and stolen the car that was idling, but there were 10 more parked right beside it also idling, and unless you had valuables showing on the front seat you were pretty safe.
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Human or Dog aside....

I would NEVER leave a running vehicle un-attended.
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Open the windows & park where you can see the vehicle, take-out or eat in shifts, we have done all three.

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Illegal in some states

Here are states where it is illegal to leave a pet unattended in a car, or can be, illegal, depending on the temperature. In Kentucky, while not illegal, I know that in many locations people will call 911 if they see an unattended pet in a hot car.

http://blog.gopetfriendly.com/is-it-...ne-in-the-car/

In many states it's illegal to leave your car idling, even in your own driveway. There was a story about someone in Michigan that was cited for warming up their car. Here's the list:

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life...r-idling-laws/
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If your F150 has a keyless ignition then it has an automatic idle limiter that will shut down the engine after it's been idling unattended for a given period. I can't find a reference to exactly how long but I suspect it's a lot less than an hour. If that should happen on a hot day with your dog in the truck the results could be tragic.

That aside, there are many good reasons why a vehicle should not be left running and unattended for an extended period, especially with an animal or child inside. FWIW, I would never do it.

From the 2017 Ford F150 owner's manual:

Automatic Engine Shutdown
If your vehicle is equipped with a keyless
ignition, it has a feature that automatically
shuts down the engine if it has been idling
for an extended period. The ignition also
turns off in order to save battery power.
Before the engine shuts down, a message
appears in the information display showing
a timer counting down from 30 seconds.
If you do not intervene within 30 seconds,
the engine shuts down. Another message
appears in the information display to
inform you that the engine has shut down
in order to save fuel. Start your vehicle as
you normally do.
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We plan ahead and don't eat out much, but we occasionally do if we can find a dog friendly restaurant with outside seating in the shade.

https://www.bringfido.com/restaurant/
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If your F150 has a keyless ignition then it has an automatic idle limiter that will shut down the engine after it's been idling unattended for a given period. I can't find a reference to exactly how long but I suspect it's a lot less than an hour. If that should happen on a hot day with your dog in the truck the results could be tragic.

That aside, there are many good reasons why a vehicle should not be left running and unattended for an extended period, especially with an animal or child inside. FWIW, I would never do it.

From the 2017 Ford F150 owner's manual:

Automatic Engine Shutdown
If your vehicle is equipped with a keyless
ignition, it has a feature that automatically
shuts down the engine if it has been idling
for an extended period. The ignition also
turns off in order to save battery power.
Before the engine shuts down, a message
appears in the information display showing
a timer counting down from 30 seconds.
If you do not intervene within 30 seconds,
the engine shuts down. Another message
appears in the information display to
inform you that the engine has shut down
in order to save fuel. Start your vehicle as
you normally do.
In a note in the manual lower down is says the time is 30 minutes.
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Until recently I wouldn't even park inside my attached garage, shut off, without disconnecting the battery.
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In a note in the manual lower down is says the time is 30 minutes.


It may be programmable, but our 2017 F150 shuts off after 10 minutes.
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