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Old 01-14-2005, 09:23 AM   #29
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Don't forget that just like in humans, genetics will play a role as well.
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Did you see the movie Supersize It. It is about a man who ate every meal at McDonalds for 60 days. It showed how the food started to damage his system. Yes genetics does help both animals and humans.
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Well I guess that my habit of picking up fresh road kill for the pooches isn't such a bad thing after all. It does get kinda gamey in the back of the truck but thats a small price to pay for natural food for fido.
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Well I guess that my habit of picking up fresh road kill for the pooches isn't such a bad thing after all. It does get kinda gamey in the back of the truck but thats a small price to pay for natural food for fido.
Sounds like you are on the right track, keep up the good work.
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Old 01-15-2005, 12:29 PM   #33
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Sounds like you are on the right track, keep up the good work.
Taz & Haily suplement their diets with live Chipmunks - about 2-3 a summer getting a little faster every year. And at certain times of the year they supplement with "scat" deer, bear, fox and god only knows what when they go on their runs in the forest.

Last year Haily picked up some intestine from ??? and by the time I said drop it - it was gone - within 4 days she had a flaming bladder infection which soon spread to Taz.....but of course this infection and crystals in the urine where blamed on the food I was feeding - Wellness (just because it was new in our area and the vet did not know about it!) So I was wondering why they don't still have the bladder infections as they are still on the same food.

Had a freind that worked in the road kill department - now there is a job for you@!!!! yuck.
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Wellness is a food made all natural.
Most grocery store foods are preserved with butylated Hydroxyanisole (BHA) OR BUTYLATED HYDROXYTOLUENE (BHT) or propyl gallate. BHA enhanced stomach and urinary bladder carcinogenesis and causes squamous-cell carcinomas in stomachs. BHT promotes urinary bladder carcinogenesis and could be a promoter of thyroid cancer. Pocessed human foods use these also.
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Wellness is a food made all natural....
BHT promotes urinary bladder carcinogenesis and could be a promoter of thyroid cancer. Pocessed human foods use these also.
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So my point exactly - why "some" vets seem to lump all foods except their own - "Hills or Science Diet" which are not that much better than the low end foods and yet are 1/3 more expensive than the "natural made foods like Wellness.

Do they not think that some pet owners are capable of thinking and doing some research - just because we don't have a degree! in Veterinary practice....
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I have a very good friend who is getting out of Vet school. Colgate-Palmolive makes Hill's Science Diet. They provide everything to the school for students. When you start out as a Vet they give you $ 1000.00 of free food. Why wouldn't you buy from them. Also they teach only medical subjects and anything about food is 1/2 a day. My friend is doing nutrition study on his own. Hill's likes to use chicken by-products. A dog should not eat poultry by-products which is a mixture of feathered animals, including pigeons. Feather meal is a great filler with no nutritional value in it. The human food company is making millions from the public selling them garbage for the animals to eat. I tell people go to the interent and check it out.
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Except for a few people who have had genuine food related problems, most people's pets are probably doing pretty well on stuff like science diet. One of my dogs eats science diet, and one eats Nutro.

BHA/BHT is an antioxidant used for food preservation, including human food. I searched through the kitchen and could only find it on one label (not a lot of prepared food in our house). It is used to preserve fats in foods that are kept at room tempurature. It is commonly found in medicines, vitamins, butter, baked goods, and anything else with fat in it that isn't going to be stored in the fridge. The jury is still out on exactly what it's role is in causing cancer or tumors, or if it is only a problem in people with a sensitivity to it. You are correct, it is in Chester's SD dog food, though there are no poultry by-products. His food is corn/rice based.

Personally, the BHA/BHT issue is less important to me than the benefits Chester receives from the SD prescription diet he is on, because his medical condition is very serious. I volunteer with some rescue groups, and get a lot of un-asked-for advice from people who feel they know better than me. Some have told me that he would not have his medical problems if he ate some magical 'natural' diet, that all his problems, genetic or otherwise, would be cured and he would be a perfect, healthy animal. I just can't buy that, and I think it's irresponsible for people to make those kind of recommendations without even knowing him. Ultimately the responsibility for keeping him healthy rests on my shoulders, and I take it very seriously.

It's fun to joke about feeding them roadkill, but Chester gets very sick if he so much as gobbles up a field mouse! And I get to deal with the reaction to it, and he is quite miserable until it passes. Same thing if we don't keep him out of the orchard and he gobbles up windfall fruit off the trees. And then there was the time he found a rotten bunny body in the back field. Lets just say I don't think Chester would be better off if he were left to choose his own diet! In fact, when he came to the pound as a stray he had been choosing his own diet for who knows how long while he was loose, and it took nearly a year to stabilize him again, to clear up the crystals that had formed in his bladder which threatened to plug up his urinary tract, to control the allergic ear infections, and to soothe his allergic skin reaction. He was a mess, the poor guy! And for that reason I will not mess with a diet that is working for him.

Say what you will about science diet, but Chester is a happy healthy guy today thanks to their food and his daily medicine, and some great care from our vet, and a lot of home care from us!
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Except for a few people who have had genuine food related problems, most people's pets are probably doing pretty well on stuff like science diet. One of my dogs eats science diet, and one eats Nutro........
Say what you will about science diet, but Chester is a happy healthy guy today thanks to their food and his daily medicine, and some great care from our vet, and a lot of home care from us!
A point not to forget - that every dog is different and different foods will be tolerated by different pets. Just as certain foods our quirky systems can't take - like you better not park close to our trailer if I have had mushrooms or onion soup - phewwww.

You are right Stephanie - No one should poke fun at any foods out there unless we are experts - but then what do the "experts" go by? Food trials - without going into detail - some should look up how they are done - very interesting reading. Take the test dogs for an instant. Say they were tested for a year - okay fine - but where are the test results of those dogs kept on the foods for their lives - and what are the clinical results of the various ailments they contracted over those years and what was their life span??? These are the results you never see! Some say we are seeing those results by the number of vet visits our pets are having to make. (this is another big topic in itself)

Haily's bladder infection quickly reached a level that involved crystals that had to be treated immediately (probably in the same case as your Chester) I too had to make a decision to change her diet to clear this infection up - and basically had to feed her what I called "Log Chinking" it was the texture of rubber - an extremely low protien high moisture diet - that breaks down the crystals quickly. She dropped about 5 pounds but was kept on the diet until her urine samples were clear. The element to this diet was simple - water that flushes the system - but mixed with just enough nutriants as not to starve the dog on a short regime.

After my personal research I was more concerned about the amount of filler type ingredients that go into the foods than the BHA/BHT - and the lack of standard controls on the foods - which have improved considerably over the past 18 years. When I read about the rendering factories and their issues, it blew me away I could not bring myself to think that they affected the foods I was buying over the years. (Technical Growth, Iams, & Nutro) Don't kid yourselves only a few years back all the main feed mills purchased from a pool of rendering houses - but people spoke up and now the industry is cleaning itself up more regulations are in place and hopefully become even better as the consumer becomes more aware.

"natural" is a funny word and perhaps it is used loosely - and to those who feed "barf" diets many think the "kibble" feeders are "crazy" and then the grocery bought kibble feeders think people like myself who feed the higher % quality ingredient type kibble are paying way too much for the same kibble. It is all in the ingredients and how to properly read the ingredient list. No one should comment on what kibble is better than another unless they have actually compared the ingredient lists thoroughly and understand what each ingredient represents and take it one step further understand how each of those ingredients help or affect your dogs health.

Those who say don't feed your dog "human" food always brings me a little chuckle - a carrot, pea or various meats and grains of sorts just to name a few ingredients - I think last I checked are what we humans eat occaisionally - pick'em, squeeze'em, mix'em, roll'em and cut'em into little bits and bake'em hey folks you just made some human kibble.
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I've also heard that dogs shouldn't eat carrots, but those are a favorite treat at our house. Alki the Eskimo's breeder suggested frozen carrots for her when she was teething, and she has loved them ever since. Nothing gets her as excited as hearing the veggie drawer open in the fridge!

Personally, sometimes I wish they made human kibble - it would be a lot easier than cooking everyday!
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We worry about what dogs eat when we humans have McDonalds everywhere?
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I've also heard that dogs shouldn't eat carrots,.............
I have not heard anything that says you can not feed/should not feed carrots.

I have heard however that too many or non pureed can be a bit of a problem. The too many issue refers to an over abundance of certain vitimans and the whole just means that they go in whole and get crunched up and usually will not have time to digest before "leaving". As with most fresh/foods.

Another big topic and very interesting is how the canines digestive system works - understand that too and you can better understand what food breaks down easier than others.

For example - when we fed Taz a modified BARF diet and following blood tests her bun was a little low - indicating lack of protein in her diet - this could have meant two things - one I was not feeding her enough raw meat or she was getting plenty but she was short on the enzimes that play a huge role in the nutriant "etraction" process (not the place to explain the details here).

If I had not been thorough and insisted on Blood tests during the 8 month diet I could have gone on like so many - totally un-knowing of what deficiences my dog might have been facing.

Blood tests are a good thing in general - once a year to have a 12 or 16 panel screen is well worth the peach of mind. But make sure you/or your Vet uses a reputable Lab.

On the Human Kibble note - that would be great - we could have several kibble bins lined up in the Globe Trotter - one for Peter the Diabetic, One for Sharon the junk food Queen, one for Taz the gobbler and one for Haily the Dainty eater - could you imagine the day when the axle/shocks go and all the bins mix together.

Since this thread should offer some help here is a little tip I picked up on my travels....I am sure that when your pooches travel to Rally's they might get a tad nervous, strange environments, strange water etc. that can have the same result as us humans - to which we use immodium.

Immodium = Pumpkin Pulp from a tin the no added sugar kind used to make pumpkin pie. Depending on the size of the dog from a tsp to 2-3 tablespoons per meal for the first two days of any sign of the "runs".

Don't keep them on it for ever! as it can be very fattening, and also may cause too alkylinic digestive environment. But it is a great natural method of helping your dog get through the scoots.

Always try a bit first and monitor your dog closely for any adverse effects - like with any food changes.
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Two dog foods I sell in the store that have carrots, they are Precise Plus and Simply Natural. I do sell biscuits from Natura that have carrots in them.
I do not feed my Dogs Sara and Shelby foods with chicken by-products, corn or wheat. I have not done the BARF diet for my dogs. I am not an expert in nutrition, but have self-studied the subject for 3 years. My oldest son formulated his own poultry food for his show chickens. He was unhappy with the results from commerical foods and wanted better health for his polutry.
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