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Old 08-13-2015, 05:32 PM   #29
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My wife and I just bought a 2015 Ford Platium Expedition EL with 3.5 EcoBoost with heavy duty trailer tow package to tow our new 2016 Airstream that is being built and should arrive this month. We opted not to get the rear air suspension. We wanted the EL for the extra fuel (33gals vs 28gals) and towing stability from extra wheelbase. In real world the EL is only 15" longer and after driving it now for a couple of months and almost 4000 miles we don't even notice the extra length. We owned a 2012 King Ranch 5.4 V8 non EL version and this one is much much improved in every way. We have had 6 adults in it for nights out with friends and the extra space is noticable inside especially in third row. A big plus over GM SUV's is Ford's rear suspension allows for fold flat third row seats so cargo area is larger and easier to access. So far our average MPG is 18.5 with a mix of highway and city. Not bad for a big boy SUV! Can't wait to hook my Airstream to it and hit the road!
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Sounds like you have a nice vehicle. Have you looked at the payload sticker on your doorframe? How much payload does your vehicle have?
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Old 08-13-2015, 05:41 PM   #30
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How in the world did you get from a Tundra to a Duramax to a Navigator?
I thought I test drove a bunch of different random stuff- including (at the time) a Lincoln Town Car and a Mercury Grand Marquis. I just liked the Tundra better than anything else I drove.
I have known at least a couple of people who towed with a Navigator. If thatt's what you want, wait for the 2017 to hit the showroom.
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Old 08-13-2015, 05:44 PM   #31
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If you're starting from scratch why not contact Andy at CanAm and ask him before you buy. You might come away with a different perspective.

Good luck.

This is the different perspective.
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Old 08-13-2015, 05:49 PM   #32
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How in the world did you get from a Tundra to a Duramax to a Navigator?

Many a sleepless night

Thank you for leaving out a few vehicle phases.


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Old 08-13-2015, 05:55 PM   #33
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cabinetmaker,

Sounds like you have a nice vehicle. Have you looked at the payload sticker on your doorframe? How much payload does your vehicle have?

Curious myself.

As for auto rear level, heard it makes setting up WD hitch tricky. But since Andy would be doing that if we bought a Navigator it's less of an issue. It's optional on Expedition, but standard on Navigator. Sounds like a cool feature, minus a little extra head scratching with initial vehicle hitch setup.


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Old 08-13-2015, 06:05 PM   #34
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Curious myself.

As for auto rear level, heard it makes setting up WD hitch tricky. But since Andy would be doing that if we bought a Navigator it's less of an issue. It's optional on Expedition, but standard on Navigator. Sounds like a cool feature, minus a little extra head scratching with initial vehicle hitch setup.


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Old 08-13-2015, 06:30 PM   #35
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I tow a 27FB with a 2003 Expedition. Same frame and suspension for the most part, a much weaker engine (5.4 liter V8 w/4 speed). I can pack two kayaks on the roof, carry enough firewood for a couple fires in a big plastic container on the floor of the Airstream, full tank of water, camp chairs, BBQ in trailer, and a 73 lb dog in rear of Expedition, and still be within spec according to the CAT scales. No mods to factory hitch. Use an Equali-Z-Er
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Thanks again. I'm in a similar boat as you. ^^^

Two small kids, looking ahead to things like Boy Scouts, sports, whatever interest them. It would certainly be handy to be able to carry 6 passengers a few short years down the road.

Something many, if not all of you have came to grips with. We, I in this case, are not simply buying a vehicle to tow an Airstream. For many of us, it will wear many, many, hats.


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Old 08-13-2015, 06:43 PM   #37
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Twitchy short wheelbase of a Expedition/Navigator. Twenty years ago Hensley invented and marketed a hitch to virtually eliminate that. It's still for sale with growing popularity by two different companies. We can say it works extremely well on our 120" wheelbase Ram 1500 and 25' Airstream, steady as a rock.

But there's more to it than that. Properly set up weight distribution, stiffer sidewall tires at correct pressures, no slop in the hitch connections, short rear tow vehicle overhang to minimize trailer leverage on the truck, and well-balanced loading of truck and Airstream with the heavy stuff in the center, light stuff at the ends are some of the things that help stabilize yaw forces (twitch) from the trailer. The Hensley hitch design eliminates the possibility of sway from occurring.
I have a haha and have towed with Tahoe and Suburban. Not the same. PPP doesn't cure all evils, like short wheelbase.
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Having towed about 6,000 miles with the Expedition (almost nothing for some or you) I can attest that it's not a twichy tow vehicle. One modification I did make that helped was to replace the P rated tires with LT's. I used to own on older model Expedition with the live axle and can say the independent 4 wheel suspension makes a huge difference in ride quality and road manners.

The big SUV has a lot going for it. It's a very flexible and useful vehicle. I've hauled boyscouts to Death Valley and camped all over the western US. With the seats folded down it fits a piece of plywood. It also truely fits into a regular parking spot at the grocery store. Mine is getting old, kids are grown, and will be thinking hard what to replace it with.
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Old 08-13-2015, 08:18 PM   #39
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Ok. So you want me to talk you out of it?

Payload. Go do the Maths on it.

I have an 2013 expedition EL 4x4 and have 1400lbs of payload. It is JUST enough!

Check the door sticker On a vehicle with the spec/trim you want, Weigh yourself, passengers, dog, tongue weight, cargo and see how that works for you.

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Why, because you're paying for an over priced rebadged Ford Expedition with worse styling.
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You obviously didn't see the zircote wood dash inlay

It has 4.10 rear diff and 460 ft/lbs torque. It is a much nicer and more luxurious vehicle than the Expedition. We have compared both pretty closely, test drive, etc. As for styling, I don't care for either to be honest. I have owned an Escalade and two Tahoes, that's what I like.

A new Escalade or Suburban would be my preference. But the Navigator will be a superior towing SUV, so that's where we are. And price difference in two identically optioned, to extent possible, Navigator L and Expedition EL was only $9k.


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Old 08-13-2015, 08:58 PM   #42
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I tow my 30' Flying Cloud with a 2005 Ford Excursion diesel. Had a custom rack built for it and when fully loaded with the family we were several hundred pounds over capacity. We had a fair amount of stuff on board but not too bad. Had to move some to the trailer and adjust WDS a to make weights. Took 3 trips over the scales. Just got back from 1 month cross country trip including mountian driving such as crossing the Bighorns.

I couldn't see myself driving less truck with this load. If anything I would look for another old Excursion or perhaps even have one built. If those options don't work out I'd go with a truck. But there is personal preference in that, some may be fine with less. I just wish a 3/4 ton diesel SUV was still available.
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