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Old 02-02-2019, 05:19 AM   #57
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Great knot

I have used this wonderful knot for years, but using the “rabbit out of, then into the Hole” technique. I have got to try this “simple” way to tie this useful knot. My life was forever changed, in a negative way, by using the wrong knot one day. Had I used the bowline that day, I would have saved myself much pain, suffering and $. If you don’t know how to tie this knot, LEARN TO!
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Old 02-02-2019, 06:09 AM   #58
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Are you out yet? My vote is for a professional tow job with a truck with a winch. Coordinating two drivers with a Airstream sandwiched between them sounds like first step to a bigger problem.
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Old 02-02-2019, 06:27 AM   #59
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Here is my son, Christmas of 2017, demonstrating the proper way to tie a bowline.

https://www.facebook.com/brad.belk.7...456964192/?t=9
That is practically a magic trick video. I had a Scout Master on crew at a nuke sub training shore command in '78 who taught me a few knots on the back shifts. At the time, I was young and dumb climbing & cutting trees w/ my 20" Stihl, so learned to tie the knot single handed from a standing line. I couldn't remember the hole, rabbit, and tree lay and direction, but like that video, if I could get the bitter end in my right hand, or a bight, I could get a bowline. I hung a tractor tire swing at Dad's farm for the grandkids with a synthetic line; 20+ years later, and a million swings, we untied that bowline, just like every other one in history. Even works on 5" (diameter) submarine mooring hawsers when the eye is on the other end.

This is a great thread; just wait till July 4th and celebrate by freeing up the trailer then.
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Old 02-02-2019, 07:09 AM   #60
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Pics as requested. Pardon my poor editing skills. I tried to show the fence in front of the truck - about 1.5 truck lengths in front; the original starting position of the truck before I backed it up a bit before losing traction again; and the gravel pad behind the trailer, where I am trying to go.

The truck and trailer are beside my property line. The house you see is my neighbor's house. The fence in front of the truck is the back property line behind my house. My driveway is directly behind the trailer and the gravel pad (if I back the trailer straight out, it will leave the gravel pad and be in my driveway).

You can see that the yard is essentially level. The only resistance I'm working against is pushing/pulling a trailer in soft dirt/mud.

As for waiting for freezing ground, it just typically doesn't stay below freezing long enough for the ground to freeze below the surface. So trying to move it when the temperature was 17 degrees didn't really work.

I'm not sure how a tow truck with a winch would have any more success - it can't get in front of the truck, and if pulling backward would face the same dilemma as me - where to attach the tow cable. The only benefit would be their expertise and finesse in operating a winch. And yes, I realize that it would be a great benefit. I just think at this point that it's a bit of over kill. I'm not sure I need that much expertise (expense).

Today the ground is still too soft to move the truck and trailer. I'm going to install the load distribution bars to move some weight off of the rear axle. I'm going to attach 2x4s to the front tires (right now I only have them on the rear). I may jack up the rear and place boards under the rear tires. But I'm not going to attempt to move it yet. It's supposed to be in the 60's and dry for the next 3 days until Tuesday. So Monday night, I'm going to try to back it up onto the gravel. I'll keep you updated.

As always, thank you to everybody for the suggestions. I really do feel like this has saved me from damaging the AS. If I haven't used your suggestion, I still appreciate it. You all are working with incomplete information, so you have a handicap. I have the benefit of knowing more about the situation, comparing all of the suggestions, and choosing the order in which I use them based upon what I think will work best for me.
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Old 02-02-2019, 07:20 AM   #61
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If you haven’t moved it yet consider putting roof shingles under the tires. I use them to get traction on snow and ice. They are rough and often help

Just a thought. Good luck
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Have you considered putting on a tongue jack castor wheel and then winch the front of the Airstream around 180 °. You can use a regular winch or a Hi-Lift Jack, or a come-along anchored to your truck as you move the tongue around in short pulls. This can more easily be accomplished by leap-frogging plywood ramps in front of the wheel as you move it around in a circle. The coupler would then be facing your gravel pad.


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Old 02-02-2019, 08:47 AM   #63
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Thanks for the photos.

The suggestion below in Post #10 is so simple, that it is worth a try with the second tow vehicle on that gravel pad. Even some regular strong rope [not a hawser] would do the job IMO if all the other steps are followed, especially digging out any soft mud blocking all the tires.

In the total time spent by everyone typing all these posts, the trailer could have been free'd up days ago IMO.



I have gotten many vehicles out of soft sand on construction sites, using these simple steps. If the ground is relatively firm today, you can probably skip putting 2x10's under any tires IMO. Having some extra bodies to push the two vehicles carefully by hand will help a lot.

"Many hands make light work!"

Trust me, it will work!

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Run a single large rope hawser ~1” diameter [and about 50’ long +/-] under the trailer and attach it to the tow vehicle’s hitch from underneath, using a large bowline knot. Then run the hawser straight back on the ground, under the trailer, to the hitch of your second pulling tow vehicle on the gravel pad. Keep all three vehicles centered over the hawser. [edit — the hawser may have to go OVER the axles to remain straight]

Apply pulling power gradually and see if the hawser binds or kinks any mechanical or propane lines under the trailer. If so, put some folded-up furniture pads between the hawser and the trailer to offset it. You will need help doing this.

Safety first!

Dig out the tow vehicle tires [edit — and trailer tires] so there is NO resistance to moving. If you have to jack up the tires and put 2x10 planks under them, that will pay off in minimizing resistance to rolling.

Apply pulling power very gently and don’t let any tires start spinning in the soft soil. [emphasis added].
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Old 02-02-2019, 09:35 AM   #64
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Thanks for the photos.

The suggestion below in Post #10 is so simple, that it is worth a try with the second tow vehicle on that gravel pad. Even some regular strong rope [not a hawser] would do the job IMO if all the other steps are followed, especially digging out any soft mud blocking all the tires.

In the total time spent by everyone typing all these posts, the trailer could have been free'd up days ago IMO.



I have gotten many vehicles out of soft sand on construction sites, using these simple steps. If the ground is relatively firm today, you can probably skip putting 2x10's under any tires IMO. Having some extra bodies to push the two vehicles carefully by hand will help a lot.

"Many hands make light work!"

Trust me, it will work!

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Thanks. I definitely think it's worth a try and it's on the list. I know it would be relatively simple. Up until this point, it's been a matter of no availability of the second truck. The person with the truck that I want to help me has been out of the country and just got back and still isn't available to help. So yes, I can try it. So far everything that I try has to be a solo affair. And to be honest, I'm kind of enjoying the challenge of trying to get it out by myself. It's not like I've spent hours out there with it. My total time involved to date has probably been less than 1 hour.
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Old 02-02-2019, 09:37 AM   #65
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Have you considered putting on a tongue jack castor wheel and then winch the front of the Airstream around 180 °. You can use a regular winch or a Hi-Lift Jack, or a come-along anchored to your truck as you move the tongue around in short pulls. This can more easily be accomplished by leap-frogging plywood ramps in front of the wheel as you move it around in a circle. The coupler would then be facing your gravel pad.
That is a really good idea. I hadn't thought of that yet, but will put it on the list of things to try. It would do a lot of damage to my yard with all the moving of the truck, so I'm gonna call that Plan B or Plan C for now.
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Run a single large rope hawser ~1” diameter [and about 50’ long +/-] under the trailer and attach it to the tow vehicle’s hitch from underneath, using a large bowline knot. Then run the hawser straight back on the ground, under the trailer, to the hitch of your second pulling tow vehicle on the gravel pad. Keep all three vehicles centered over the hawser. [edit — the hawser may have to go OVER the axles to remain straight]

Apply pulling power gradually and see if the hawser binds or kinks any mechanical or propane lines under the trailer. If so, put some folded-up furniture pads between the hawser and the trailer to offset it. You will need help doing this.

Safety first!

Dig out the tow vehicle tires [edit — and trailer tires] so there is NO resistance to moving. If you have to jack up the tires and put 2x10 planks under them, that will pay off in minimizing resistance to rolling.

Apply pulling power very gently and don’t let any tires start spinning in the soft soil.

Less is more . . .



PS — do not pull on the aft end of the AS!
IMO this will certainly cause damage to the underside of the Airstream - especially the AS rear bumper area. The rope will exit the AS at an upward angle to the assisting truck and create an upward force on the bumper and any tanks and belly wrap in its path.

It is also extremely dangerous to attach a tow rope to a hitch. If this method is attempted only attach to rated recovery points never a hitch ball. If the ball breaks (which is likely) it will become a missile that can cause serious damage, injury or death. (http://www.energysafetycanada.com/fi...ne%20Cover.pdf)

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Old 02-02-2019, 10:48 AM   #67
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. . . If this method is attempted only attach to rated recovery points never a hitch ball.
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Good point, if you mean the attachment points on the tow vehicle for the trailer's safety chains.

Everyone should realize that the amount of force to be exerted by the new tow rope/hawser is very minimal -- just enough to help the first tow vehicle get rolling. Removing dirt from behind ALL the tires is crucial.

The upward force on the Airsteam, at any point, would also be very minimal, especially in view of how flat the site is shown to be in the recent photos.

I wish I lived closer.

This recovery is very simple and everyone is overthinking it IMO !!!

Sorry to be a stuck record -- just frustrating that no one gets it -- the sheer simplicity of it all.

Over and out!

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PS -- Your video shows very different physical situations which exaggerate the risks IMO.
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I think there will be many broken parts lying around long before you break the 1 inch shaft off the under side of most 2 and 5/16th trailer balls. Drive shafts, u-joints, and once for me on a 70s Jeep CJ7, the back bumper, parts of the frame, the gas tank, lots of plumbing and electrical. The snatch was no where near as violent as the video, but the neighborhood got a good laugh. I built a deck over the stump which, 36 years later, is still there.
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I wish I lived closer.

This recovery is very simple and everyone is overthinking it IMO !!!

Sorry to be a stuck record -- just frustrating that no one gets it -- the sheer simplicity of it all.

Over and out!

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I wish you lived closer too! hahahaha
Any ETA for that second tow vehicle coming by for a minutes of hawser work?

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