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Old 04-13-2012, 10:07 AM   #211
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DZN, coming from the aviation industry it's pretty simple. We have specs and we follow them. If we don't, things break (like wings), and lawyers get really happy in trial. (Unless of course they are on the defense side). I'll follow the manufacturer recommendations every time.
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Legality gets really interesting once a jury is thrown into the mix (trust me on this one). It's hard to look past personal preferences and get to "what is this going to do to me if I ever have a bad accident and I am at fault"? And so I will tell you. The only thing that matters in the end is what the manufacturer specs say.
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If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you have to ask, no expanation is possible! I simply love towing with my GMC dually! I love the diesel growl, I love the comfort of the crew cab, I love the power, I love the handling, I love the looks, I love the mpg, - I even love that "big butt" look and I think that it looks great hooked up to the Airstream!
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i used to pull my 30 ft with a half ton pickup just had to run it in drive instead of overdrive. But i retired it to just a plow truck and bought a 1 ton dually pickup and i love it, but i also had no problem with the half ton just didnt get in any hurry with it and it was fine. Just want to make sure it has a hitch under it
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DZN, coming from the aviation industry it's pretty simple. We have specs and we follow them. If we don't, things break (like wings), and lawyers get really happy in trial. (Unless of course they are on the defense side). I'll follow the manufacturer recommendations every time.
The two don't compare. SAE ratings are not at all the same thing. They have no force of law, for starters (coming from a captive group of engineers), and the ratings are obviously about keeping tow ratings restricted to a profitable vehicle type while ignoring almost all others. Then the testing is rigged by vehicles towed and conditions equally rigged. For some trailers under some conditions the SAE J2807 rating is valid. It otherwise has holes big enough to drive a truck right through. As a guideline set it is a huge disappointment.

1T DRW pickups get used by LTL and oilfield hotshot -- trucks "rated" for a 21k GVWR -- for 300k miles with 24k trailers. A 9,000-lb flatbed trailer with a 16,000-lb load on it. Day in, and day out, 24/7/365 for three to five years. Might have to replace an automatic tranmission a time or two.

The single (valid) concern is tire rating. Second is axle rating. Keep an eye on those and the rest comes right along. Law enforcement looks to just these things. Precedents are established, and it is not with what a private individual feels comfortable recommending (the vehicle manufacturer).

What CAN AM does today the rest of us did all through the 1960's and '70's. If one doesn't want to, then, fine. For those who do not wish to pay an extraordinary amount for a TV -- up front and mile-by-mile -- and who want one that has better handling, braking, economy and the rest, then there are alternatives to what the industry points us at. With a long and well understood way of doing just that.

TV recommendation comes down to use. Full time is different than a vacationer is different than a family is different than a couple. A big variety of uses, and of users.

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So who is speaking to them (any longer)?
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Thanks for some clarification RED'. Unfortunate that towing discussions get sidetracked by legal warnings without substance when "bigger" runs out of steam.

We spend half the year away from home with our Airstream and do not need a vehicle capable of towing two Airstreams. We need it for one trailer (not for half a trailer nor two trailers) and a good daily driver.

Enjoy all towing threads but repeated legal warnings contribute nothing to the discussion.

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As we have this discussion (again) we should try to keep in mind that there's a big difference between what one can get cited or ticketed for and what one could get sued for if one causes an accident.

While Can Am's success rate is remarkable, I'm not confident that would be more persuasive to a jury than the manufacturer's published max towing weights.
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Oh well, I tried.

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As we have this discussion (again) we should try to keep in mind that there's a big difference between what one can get cited or ticketed for and what one could get sued for if one causes an accident.

While Can Am's success rate is remarkable, I'm not confident that would be more persuasive to a jury than the manufacturer's published max towing weights.

Then why isn't U-HAUL out of business?

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...For those who do not wish to pay an extraordinary amount for a TV -- up front and mile-by-mile -- and who want one that has better handling, braking, economy and the rest, then there are alternatives to what the industry points us at. With a long and well understood way of doing just that.

TV recommendation comes down to use. Full time is different than a vacationer is different than a family is different than a couple. A big variety of uses, and of users.

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Hey, I resemble that remark!
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