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Old 03-03-2012, 11:53 AM   #197
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You might have to rebuild the frame to deal with all that torque and weight. Might as well as add A/C, 24-way power seats, 10 speakers and satellite phone, big honkin' wheels and tires, and the list keeps going. Then it won't be a '38 Ford, but a shell of one. To each his own.

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Old 03-03-2012, 12:01 PM   #198
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Yeah, I think he's a but of a purist. it WOULD be fun to show up at a rally towing with one, though!
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #199
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So . . . in this dozenth or so year of RV forums online, where, where are the disaster stories about CAN AM (or others) who have a clue or two about hitch rigging? Where are the ripped body welds and melted wheel bearings?
I've read testimonials from many happy customers. But I'm still looking for the stories of law suits against Can-Am. Hmmm... The courts are mysteriously silent.

Hmmm...
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Old 03-03-2012, 01:20 PM   #200
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I've read testimonials from many happy customers. But I'm still looking for the stories of law suits against Can-Am. Hmmm... The courts are mysteriously silent.

Hmmm...
It's well known that Can-Am tends to ignore manufacturer's recommended tow ratings (taking appropriate measures of course) but from what I can see towing laws in North America only deal with GVWR and GAWR, and I could be wrong but don't think Can-Am ignores those rules. If they have I've never seen it. It appears to me that every rig that comes out of Can-Am would pass every towing law and road regulation in USA and Canada.

Of course, what raises eyebrows is the pre-conception that passenger cars can't be made safe to tow larger trailers, when in reality the answer is...it depends. I can tell you one thing...Andy is no dummy. He'll be the first to tell you that if you want to load a Jetta with four 200 lb passengers and toss a generator in the trunk but tow a 23 foot Flying Cloud, you're going to need a bigger vehicle. There's no black magic going on here.
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I've read testimonials from many happy customers. But I'm still looking for the stories of law suits against Can-Am. Hmmm... The courts are mysteriously silent.

Hmmm...
Mysteriously?
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Seems that there are a stubborn few who refuse to believe that you can modify a vehicle for better performance whether it be for speed, braking, handling, off-roading, racing or even towing. Adding higher load tires and wheels, trans coolers, bigger radiators and batteries are all towing modifications. Beefing up a hitch with larger bolts or frame supports fits in that modification category too.
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Mysteriously?
Yeah, for years the naysayers of Can-Am have called down doom and gloom to their customers who use smaller vehicles set-up by Can-Am for towing Airstreams. You should have heard the screaming and condemnation on the Airstream Usenet group around 15 years ago when they set-up a Dodge Intrepid for towing. There were things said like "Wait for the lawsuits from the accidents caused by dangerously underpowered tow vehicles...lawyers, insurance companies, etc." and similar "the sky is falling" types of prophesies.

I can appreciate people being concerned over safety issues. But the people at Can-AM are not stupid and have been dealing with these issues since cars were first downsized in the 1970s. Even after all these years, the courts are mysteriously silent from those predicted lawsuits. And Can-Am keeps producing happy customers. If they are doing such a bad job that is guaranteed to fail, where are the lawsuits?

Maybe Can-Am customers are perhaps more conscientious about safely driving their rig than a "normal" RV owner. Maybe they take fewer chances or something. But AFAIK, Can-Am hasn't been involved in court battles for what they are doing. And an unhappy customer is who you usually hear from first, they seem to be the most vocal as opposed to a contented customer.

I'm just sayin'...

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Seems that there are a stubborn few who refuse to believe that you can modify a vehicle for better performance whether it be for speed, braking, handling, off-roading, racing or even towing. Adding higher load tires and wheels, trans coolers, bigger radiators and batteries are all towing modifications. Beefing up a hitch with larger bolts or frame supports fits in that modification category too.
Yes, nothing mysterious about that, nothing at all.
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:12 PM   #205
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Beyond the possible legal implications of having an accident with an undersized vehicle, I prefer to have a margin of error that I don't feel is offered by pulling a trailer that exceeds a vehicle's recommended tow rating. There are enough things to think about when traveling with 4 kids without adding something else to the mix.

Going back to Marinablue's original question, we started out with an Astro van pulling our '64 Overlander. All we did was tow it home from where we bought it in Ohio and it wasn't a pleasant trip, but I now know that the problem was more related to the hitch we were using than the size of the tow vehicle. By the time we had the Overlander fixed up enough to travel we had a 1500 Suburban which worked well for us, although there were times going up hill when I would have liked a little more power. Now with our F-350 pulling the Sovereign we've admittedly got more tow vehicle than we really need, but it sure is nice to drive.

When it came to picking a truck we started with the need for seating for six (including four teenagers), and added in the desire for an 8' box for the truck camper and hauling other stuff around. I grew up driving full sized pickup trucks on the farm and it just didn't seem right to get one that wouldn't take a full sheet of plywood. We could have got away with a 3/4 ton truck, but then we might have been a bit undersized for the truck camper, especially if we ever decided to get a bigger one.
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I prefer to have a margin of error that I don't feel is offered by pulling a trailer that exceeds a vehicle's recommended tow rating. There are enough things to think about when traveling with 4 kids without adding something else to the mix.
Everyone's situation is different. We don't have 4 kids and otherwise travel light. We look at our "margin of error" differently. The Can Am setup and our vehicle's exceptional overall performance with or without the trailer in tow in our mind relates to a BTA safety factor.
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Your entertaining yourselves gang...the original poster is so confused she abandoned you.

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For me, it's not about brand or vehicle configuration, or whether CanAm does a good job at what they do...it is strictly about specs and ratings.
Professionally, I know, without doubt, that exceeding manufacturers ratings (significantly) will, at a minimum reduce the longevity of MANY components of the vehicle.

Secondarily, you must be willing to accept the possibility of the words in the following article. (there are others out there, google "liability in towing overloaded" or your favorite phrase.)

TRAILER TOWING ILLEGALLY
DZN, coming from the aviation industry it's pretty simple. We have specs and we follow them. If we don't, things break (like wings), and lawyers get really happy in trial. (Unless of course they are on the defense side). I'll follow the manufacturer recommendations every time.
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