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Old 02-24-2012, 05:42 PM   #169
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"German cars have in CR's reliability ratings not done well compared to other countries' products."

We have had German cars since the 70's, I've never had reliability problems. We have a '99 MB C43 AMG we bought new in the spring of '99 and other than routine maintenence I haven't spent a penny or had any problems. The Benz has 137k on it and will still do 0-60 in under 6 seconds. I can't bring myself to part with it, in fact I turned down a very good offer for it Wednesday. On the other hand a friend had a VW Passat and he griped about it all the time, when quizzed about his problems most were related to proper maintenence. Don't whine when you need new tires at 30k or brakes at 50. My dad was a car dealer (Chevrolet) and I grew up in the era when tires were 10k at best, tune ups were needed every couple of thousand miles, etc. Cars and trucks used to be worn out at 60k and finished at 100. My nieghbor has a 50 Ford pickup (first car Ii ever drove) the memory is a lot better than the reality. Rides rough, bad seat, no power, no brakes! And to think people used tow Airstreams with 110 hp flathead V8's and old Chevy Blue flame 6's with really, really bad tires and brakes.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:01 PM   #170
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Zlee,

"German cars have in CR's reliability ratings not done well compared to other countries' products."

We have had German cars since the 70's, I've never had reliability problems. We have a '99 MB C43 AMG we bought new in the spring of '99 and other than routine maintenence I haven't spent a penny or had any problems. The Benz has 137k on it and will still do 0-60 in under 6 seconds. I can't bring myself to part with it, in fact I turned down a very good offer for it Wednesday. On the other hand a friend had a VW Passat and he griped about it all the time, when quizzed about his problems most were related to proper maintenence. Don't whine when you need new tires at 30k or brakes at 50. My dad was a car dealer (Chevrolet) and I grew up in the era when tires were 10k at best, tune ups were needed every couple of thousand miles, etc. Cars and trucks used to be worn out at 60k and finished at 100. My nieghbor has a 50 Ford pickup (first car Ii ever drove) the memory is a lot better than the reality. Rides rough, bad seat, no power, no brakes! And to think people used tow Airstreams with 110 hp flathead V8's and old Chevy Blue flame 6's with really, really bad tires and brakes.
I agree with the MB products... can't speak for a VW (they are a little small for me). I had a 300SD with the 5cyl turbo diesel. I had 498,000 miles on the odometer when I sold it in 9 years ago (original engine/transmission, etc... mostly routine maint). I was getting about 630 or so miles per tank (21 gal). I still see it around town from time to time. Loved that car!
Now, I would not think about towing with it, but great quality from MB!
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"German cars have in CR's reliability ratings not done well compared to other countries' products."
As much fun as it is to tell tales of high-mileage Yugos and such... you need to look at a bigger sample, which CR and such do. If they have a crappy rating on CR, it isn't because one guy had a timing belt fail at 40K... it's because a lot of people had problems.

Don't confuse 'initial quality' surveys with reliability... they measure delivery defects...
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Friday is correct. JD Powers does different surveys—a short term and a long term. Both are important, but unless you buy a car every year, long term is more important. I'm not sure how many people Powers surveys. CR does give some idea of how many people are enough for them to publish results.

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IMPO JD Powers 5 year dependability survey is the bible. It is stat driven and MUCH LESS opinion driven. CR is a popularity contest. Even JD Powers initial quality survey is a more scientifically accurate survey than CR, but still....the 5 year thing is the proof in the puddin'.
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I have been watching these threads on this issue, and it really cracks me up sometimes what people say on here without thinking.
Examples;
They just make up the numbers on the weight ratios for towing: Duh, It does not take a rocket scientist to know that these numbers come from decades of testing and real world use. Everything done to a vehicle does evenually end up back in the manufactures lap because someone or some politician is looking to get money for some reason and this has happened over decades.
Towing restrictions: when a manufacturer makes a vehicle to do something they look for all the ways someone is going to do with it that it is not meant for so they can limit lawsuits. It is called a Warning!
Another thing, when a vehicle is considered for production it has to pass 2 places before it goes into production 1 the bean counters who job it is to make sure they make money and not loose any, 2 the attorneys as they are the ones who have defend that vehicle in any and all lawsuits, and make sure the fault is on you not them.
I have spent 20 plus years in the transportation industry, and logged over a million and half miles and hauled just about everything, And I can tell you for a fact that when you exceed the perameters on something you are asking for trouble, something that could be as minor as a ticket or cut, to something as serious as loss of life and property. Now it may not happen the first time or even the first 20 times you drive, and you may get lucky enough to never have a situation in your limited travels but it only takes once.
As far as campers being checked, LOL, it happens.. New York state pulls it several times a year upstate, AZ, NM, NV, all have weight stations where they pull in all vehicles hauling trailers.. and yes they do check to see if you have overloaded your vehicle and trailer. I have seen TN & KY DOT pull over campers where they look unsafe and check them such as with a vehicle to small for the trailer.
So as far as CanAm remember they are an Canadian company and Canada laws are more liberal than here which is why CanAm does not want to venture across the boarder and open here, because what they are doing would not pass American Standards.
Everybody please remember 1 Thing?? just because it can = does not make it safe or right!
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I bought my Int'l BEFORE buying the TV. I think choosing a TV is broader than just what will safely and efficiently handle the weight. I didn't want a pickup as it just doesn't work for when I'm not towing a trailer. I had a 2008 MB ML --- but there is no way I would have wanted to pull a 28' trailer with it. For one thing, MB is just not all that happy about using their vehicles as trailer towers. I bought a new Infinity QX 56. All the car mags gave it rave reviews, and after 7 months with it, I definitely agree. Lots of torque, heavy duty frame, has a TOW selector (changes shift points), and it has all the goodies that make trips safer...lane departure warning, adaptive cruise, yada yada. It'll also hold my two Honda 2000's in the space behind the 3d seat (looks like the space was designed for them). I made sure that it would handle both tongue and trailer weights BEFORE I did the deal. Whatever you buy to tow just needs to meet or exceed a safe margin ....
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We all agree, it's . . . "Whatever I have."

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Trailer Life lists the tow ratings of more than 700 vehicles. And even if 30% can't tow much more than a jet ski, that still leaves about 500 choices for a TV. Take your pick.

But what I find entertaining is when the OP asks about towing a 25' or 27', we have the nine-teeners arguing with the 34 footers about the best tow vehicle.
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Not to mention the assumption that " American Standards" must be right...normally only seen assumed by Americans, funnily enough...
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