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12-07-2018, 06:21 AM
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Rivet Master
Mountain View
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What Europeans are towing with?
I am aware of the difference between US and European trailers. Still funny to look at what is used in Europe for towing in the context of some comments on this forum.
https://youtu.be/GuuS3IHq4HI
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12-07-2018, 06:49 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 28' International
Fayetteville
, Georgia
Join Date: Jan 2018
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Consider also that they tow at much lower speeds than US Interstate speeds. Weight Distributing hitches are also not common in Europe.
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2018 International Serenity
Cute wife...
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12-07-2018, 07:51 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1971 27' Overlander
Kansas City
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I'll add. It's still very popular to tow large campers with cars in Australia. It aways makes me chuckle when somebody is rambling on about needing a monster truck to safely tow an Airstream
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12-07-2018, 08:08 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 28' International
Fayetteville
, Georgia
Join Date: Jan 2018
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It is much easier and stress-free to tow with a 3/4 ton diesel. I previously towed my Airstream with an Expedition (hardly a small vehicle). The difference is night and day. I chuckle at those that think they can safely tow a large trailer with a Yugo.
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2018 International Serenity
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12-07-2018, 08:12 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central
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Join Date: Mar 2014
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I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....
The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.
In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.
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12-07-2018, 08:40 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 25' Excella
2011 19' Flying Cloud
Santa Ynez
, California
Join Date: Jan 2017
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The heaviest class in the test was 1950+ KG that is about a 19-20' Airstream.
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Alan
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12-07-2018, 09:45 AM
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Rivet Master
Mountain View
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... Towed with bmw 5 series... 99% in the US will say that BMW 5 series can't tow because BMW does not offer hitch option on this market... A lot of shocking info in this video.
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Originally Posted by AlinCal
The heaviest class in the test was 1950+ KG that is about a 19-20' Airstream.
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12-07-2018, 09:52 AM
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1 Rivet Member
Ottawa
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Can-AM RV Presentation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcticfox
I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....
The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.
In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.
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I saw Andy do his presentation at the Ottawa RV show last year. I highly recommend it. It's a non-biased (it's not anti-truck at all) presentation on proper hitch setup and what parameters matter and why, when hitching up. It's a great learning eperience and it saved me a ton of $ in operating expense coming to the understanding that I won't need a heavy duty truck to tow an AS. I really like how the whole presentation is backed up with both science and experimentation. Now if I end up with a truck, it will be because I need the space. Currently leaning towards a van.
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12-07-2018, 10:09 AM
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
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Join Date: Mar 2014
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Many folks end up having to import a tow vehicle as well as a trailer if importing a US spec trailer.
There are many reasons for this ranging from the fact that we would have to change the hitch to metric (or import a US spec tow bar for a European car) - European tow bars have the 'ball' permanently attached to the tow bar not the hitch/receiver system used in US; to restrictions around weight/length (heavier trailers require the tow-vehicle itself to be over 3.5t; and even license issues (if you passed your test post 1996 (I think) we can't drive a tow vehicle over 3.5t with taking an additional test).
It is not uncommon for folks to innocently import trailers only to find they simply can't use them without an additional driving test, etc.
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12-07-2018, 10:11 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1972 31' Excella 500
2017 30' Classic
Grapeview
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brick1
It is much easier and stress-free to tow with a 3/4 ton diesel. I previously towed my Airstream with an Expedition (hardly a small vehicle). The difference is night and day. I chuckle at those that think they can safely tow a large trailer with a Yugo.
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Bongo................
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2017 Classic
2016 RAM 3500 6.7
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12-07-2018, 10:25 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1972 31' Excella 500
2017 30' Classic
Grapeview
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 456
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcticfox
I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....
The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.
In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.
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IMHO ones perception in and of their opinion in matters of discussion of something or other and experience is often limited to personal belief w/o consideration to all sides of experience..............
Best regards and safe travels
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12-07-2018, 05:51 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 30' Classic
Anna Maria
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcticfox
I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....
The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.
In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.
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For the umpteenth time, yes you can tow an Airstream with a Yugo. Try towing a 30' Classic with a Yugo and load it up for a trip.
I have been asking Can-Am since 2012 how they account for the payload when towing a large Airstream with a Toureg or something similar.
Never got an answer. Since then I educated myself and the reason most of us towing 30' Airstreams migrate to a 3/4 ton is PAYLOAD, followed by overall safety when loaded to the max. With our 30' Classic trip ready we are over 1,900 lbs, our 1/2 ton simply wasn't up to the job .
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12-07-2018, 06:37 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Vancouver
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brick1
It is much easier and stress-free to tow with a 3/4 ton diesel. I previously towed my Airstream with an Expedition (hardly a small vehicle). The difference is night and day. I chuckle at those that think they can safely tow a large trailer with a Yugo.
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That’s fine. I have never seen a claim on here that one can tow a large trailer with a Yugo.
I chuckle at those who think that a heavier truck is a safer tow vehicle than a smaller, better handling one which is within axle and tire weight ratings. It is safer at carrying heavier cargo loads, but that is separate from towing. It is conflating those two issues that causes some to differ on best tow vehicle choice. If someone posted “My heavier truck isn’t as good in terms of handling or braking when towing, but I accept that trade off because I need the payload” nobody would disagree. It would be completely logical.
I also chuckle at those who use Yugo references to make their points. Reductio ad absurdum. Twice so far in this thread.
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12-07-2018, 07:31 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 28' International
Fayetteville
, Georgia
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The Yugo comparison was intended to be absurdum. But I would like to tow my 28 Serenity with my C6 corvette. Plenty of power, awesome brakes and super handling.
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2018 International Serenity
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12-07-2018, 07:47 PM
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Rivet Master
Mountain View
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12-07-2018, 07:50 PM
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Rivet Master
Mountain View
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I'm sure it would tow much better than ANY truck on the market.
Quote:
Originally Posted by brick1
(...) But I would like to tow my 28 Serenity with my C6 corvette. Plenty of power, awesome brakes and super handling.
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12-07-2018, 07:52 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 25' Excella
2011 19' Flying Cloud
Santa Ynez
, California
Join Date: Jan 2017
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Lol!
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Alan
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12-07-2018, 08:42 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shermy1987
I'll add. It's still very popular to tow large campers with cars in Australia. It aways makes me chuckle when somebody is rambling on about needing a monster truck to safely tow an Airstream
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My 20013 31’ Classic...has 7900 lbs on the axles and 1050 on the tongue...my wife’s Toyota won’t cut the mustard...so I will keep towing it with our 2017 2500 ram with th 6.7 cumalong....it weighs 8900 lbs.....
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12-07-2018, 08:53 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,570
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brick1
The Yugo comparison was intended to be absurdum. But I would like to tow my 28 Serenity with my C6 corvette. Plenty of power, awesome brakes and super handling.
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Yep it might..there is quite a bit of difference between the wheel bearings in your car and a 3/4 pickup...
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12-07-2018, 11:13 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Dalton
, Ohio
Join Date: May 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tjdonahoe
Yep it might..there is quite a bit of difference between the wheel bearings in your car and a 3/4 pickup...
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And many of you said we couldn’t tow our 7000 lb AS with 1000 lb tongue wt. with our MDX. “I should borrow my father’s F150.”
In the words of ZZtop, “She loves my (her) automobile.”
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