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Old 12-07-2018, 07:21 AM   #1
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What Europeans are towing with?

I am aware of the difference between US and European trailers. Still funny to look at what is used in Europe for towing in the context of some comments on this forum.

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Consider also that they tow at much lower speeds than US Interstate speeds. Weight Distributing hitches are also not common in Europe.
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I'll add. It's still very popular to tow large campers with cars in Australia. It aways makes me chuckle when somebody is rambling on about needing a monster truck to safely tow an Airstream
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It is much easier and stress-free to tow with a 3/4 ton diesel. I previously towed my Airstream with an Expedition (hardly a small vehicle). The difference is night and day. I chuckle at those that think they can safely tow a large trailer with a Yugo.
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I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....

The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.

In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.
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The heaviest class in the test was 1950+ KG that is about a 19-20' Airstream.
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... Towed with bmw 5 series... 99% in the US will say that BMW 5 series can't tow because BMW does not offer hitch option on this market... A lot of shocking info in this video.

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The heaviest class in the test was 1950+ KG that is about a 19-20' Airstream.
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I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....

The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.

In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.
I saw Andy do his presentation at the Ottawa RV show last year. I highly recommend it. It's a non-biased (it's not anti-truck at all) presentation on proper hitch setup and what parameters matter and why, when hitching up. It's a great learning eperience and it saved me a ton of $ in operating expense coming to the understanding that I won't need a heavy duty truck to tow an AS. I really like how the whole presentation is backed up with both science and experimentation. Now if I end up with a truck, it will be because I need the space. Currently leaning towards a van.
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Many folks end up having to import a tow vehicle as well as a trailer if importing a US spec trailer.

There are many reasons for this ranging from the fact that we would have to change the hitch to metric (or import a US spec tow bar for a European car) - European tow bars have the 'ball' permanently attached to the tow bar not the hitch/receiver system used in US; to restrictions around weight/length (heavier trailers require the tow-vehicle itself to be over 3.5t; and even license issues (if you passed your test post 1996 (I think) we can't drive a tow vehicle over 3.5t with taking an additional test).

It is not uncommon for folks to innocently import trailers only to find they simply can't use them without an additional driving test, etc.
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It is much easier and stress-free to tow with a 3/4 ton diesel. I previously towed my Airstream with an Expedition (hardly a small vehicle). The difference is night and day. I chuckle at those that think they can safely tow a large trailer with a Yugo.

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I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....

The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.

In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.

IMHO ones perception in and of their opinion in matters of discussion of something or other and experience is often limited to personal belief w/o consideration to all sides of experience..............


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I think the European trailers are configured differently and the tongue weights are substantially different. That said, they also don't have the Monster Truck syndrome that many in North America have..... Remember it bigger so it must be better.....

The one exception is the setups Can-Am RV in Canada does. They have built their business around configuring cars and light trucks to tow Airstreams. They have a customer base from around North America who travel long distances to have hitch setup done properly. Even all the factory owned units have their hitch setup by Can-am.

In many cases, people think bigger is better because they (mask) a poorly setup hitch with more weight and power.
For the umpteenth time, yes you can tow an Airstream with a Yugo. Try towing a 30' Classic with a Yugo and load it up for a trip.
I have been asking Can-Am since 2012 how they account for the payload when towing a large Airstream with a Toureg or something similar.
Never got an answer. Since then I educated myself and the reason most of us towing 30' Airstreams migrate to a 3/4 ton is PAYLOAD, followed by overall safety when loaded to the max. With our 30' Classic trip ready we are over 1,900 lbs, our 1/2 ton simply wasn't up to the job .
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It is much easier and stress-free to tow with a 3/4 ton diesel. I previously towed my Airstream with an Expedition (hardly a small vehicle). The difference is night and day. I chuckle at those that think they can safely tow a large trailer with a Yugo.
That’s fine. I have never seen a claim on here that one can tow a large trailer with a Yugo.

I chuckle at those who think that a heavier truck is a safer tow vehicle than a smaller, better handling one which is within axle and tire weight ratings. It is safer at carrying heavier cargo loads, but that is separate from towing. It is conflating those two issues that causes some to differ on best tow vehicle choice. If someone posted “My heavier truck isn’t as good in terms of handling or braking when towing, but I accept that trade off because I need the payload” nobody would disagree. It would be completely logical.

I also chuckle at those who use Yugo references to make their points. Reductio ad absurdum. Twice so far in this thread.
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The Yugo comparison was intended to be absurdum. But I would like to tow my 28 Serenity with my C6 corvette. Plenty of power, awesome brakes and super handling.
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