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Old 09-14-2019, 06:58 AM   #61
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Yes, it is probably true that you need one rated for more than 8500 towing capacity.

I tow with a 3/4 ton and it is also my everyday driver. I like it for both uses. We live in the suburbs. My wife has a Subaru that I can borrow when I need to go downtown and park in a parking garage.

I have been on many caravans and have noted many people towing with 1/2 ton TV that are quite happy with them. When well selected they seem to tow an Airstream just fine. You do need the tow package. I personally think it is okay to be at the cargo limit or slightly over it for short periods when towing. As long as the tires and axle ratings are respected. Not sure what I would get if I had to replace my TV now. I have put 240000 on it and I plan to keep it for a while.
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Old 09-14-2019, 08:23 AM   #62
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After reading all of this... I am keeping the F350 Diesel Rivet Popper.

The 27 foot International is ONE INCH LONGER, than the 28 Foot International.

No one mentions that 'small' detail. So when everyone sounds like a group of chipmunks in a tree... sometimes numbers may not match expectations.

To be 100% safe... leave the trailer home and stay at a nice motel with the money saved on gasoline/diesel and ulcers worrying about everything... that Common Sense would take care of.

Store excess furniture in the trailer. It is much too dangerous to be towing behind any vehicle.
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Old 09-14-2019, 09:51 AM   #63
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Ok, so my trailer weighs 10,000 pounds. If I'm going to have a TV that weighs 1.5X the weight of the trailer, then I need a TV that weighs at least 15,000 pounds. *That* is going to take some shopping !!!

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Old 09-14-2019, 10:06 AM   #64
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After reading these posts its easy to conclude that if you plan to go to the grocery store more than twice a week you'll need a F350 diesel for your airstream.
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:21 AM   #65
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After reading these posts its easy to conclude that if you plan to go to the grocery store more than twice a week you'll need a F350 diesel for your airstream.
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After watching some people unload all their stuff at campsites, a 450 may be the minimum ....

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One thing I have noticed a bit more recently are people with a big trailer hooked up *and* a big boat hooked on the back of that. Along with the 4 wheel ATV in the back of the truck, I'm not sure that a 350 would actually be big enough .....

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Old 09-14-2019, 08:49 PM   #66
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One of the great advantages of having a proper sized tow vehicle is thst you do not need a weight distribution hitch and all of the hassles that go along with it.
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Old 09-15-2019, 08:17 AM   #67
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My father in all his wisdom, living in the Forests of Montana.

When he said, "OK, it is late, into the fart sacks"... we knew what that meant.

Most Airstreams have more beds available than the Forest Service provided for a family of five living in a 'Cabin'.

...and people bitch there is not enough room for a couple with a dog in a 27 foot trailer.
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Old 09-15-2019, 08:45 AM   #68
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Two things that strain Airstreams credibility with me are such a statement about TV's (I do not believe Airstream actually recommends the 1.5 weight ratio) and their position of running 80 psi in the tires. Sure, 80 psi might make the tires be in a little better condition when you toss them after 4 years for age, but what about the trailer? Did it last the 4 years?
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Old 09-15-2019, 09:13 AM   #69
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I want my truck to be within "payload capacity" while towing. If I travel light, a half-ton truck will do. I need at least 1650# of payload capacity when traveling light. When I had my Titan XD Diesels, I needed to travel light because I had 1650# of payload capacity. Now that I have an F-250 Diesel, I can travel heavy using up all the truck's 2150# of payload capacity.

Will the truck break down immediately if you tow over payload capacity? No. I've towed many times significantly over payload capacity. You just must drive carefully without jackrabbit starts and stops. But you definitely should stay below maximum axle ratings.

So the question is what do you want to carry in the truck while towing. If only two occupants, a generator, gas grill, gas stove, and a few tools, you will be traveling light and a truck with 1650# of payload will do. If you have three or more occupants, 4x4, bikes, generator, loads of heavy tools, firewood, gas grill, gas stove, your collection of cast iron cookware . . . You may want to consider a 3/4 ton truck. Gasoline powered trucks have much higher payload's than diesels. It also matters how loaded the truck is with features. Sun roofs, leather seats, running boards, bed liners, toppers all add to the payload and therefore require a bigger truck.

I love my F-250 Diesel tow vehicle where I can easily stay within axle ratings no matter what I choose to take with me. I also can just stay within the 2150# payload rating of my truck.

I know this is confusing. Good luck finding your tow vehicle.

Just a reminder...
Payload is what you haul in the vehicle.
Installed options (sun roof,leather seats, running boards, etc are part of the empty weight of the vehicle...not part of the payload.
Hope this clears up some misconceptions.
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Just a reminder...
Payload is what you haul in the vehicle.
Installed options (sun roof,leather seats, running boards, etc are part of the empty weight of the vehicle...not part of the payload.


A truck with lots of options will have a much lower payload than what is listed in that shiny marketing brochure, TV ad, or salesman's memory. The key is to look at the Payload Sticker inside the driver's door for the actual truck you are considering. This is especially important if you are considering a 1/2 ton truck because the loaded ones that are sitting on the dealer's lot will likely have much lower payload than one would expect. I need a truck with at least 1650# of payload to not exceed its payload while traveling with my Airstream.
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Old 09-15-2019, 10:05 AM   #71
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Maybe the 1.5 times is referring to the trailer being 1.5 times bigger than the TV. So if you have a 6,000lb truck a 9,000 pound trailer would be about right. That would seem more reasonable. Although I have never seen in the AS literature such a statement.

And I agree with AirMiles. This is why ordering a truck is a bit tricky. You need to remember that options like sun roofs are heavy and suck up payload. This isn’t the case with things like electronic options which are of minimal weight. Personally I think sunroofs are a waste of money. I’ve had them. Never used them. But if you like them remember they are heavy!!

When buying on the lot always check the payload sticker (usually on driver side door). Anything less than 1600lbs can be problematic.

Also Ford makes a beefed up F150 with a Max Trailer hauling capacity with payload of around 2000lbs. That’s only about 300 to 400lbs less than some F250 diesels. If you really want a lot of payload the 3/4 ton gas engines are better than diesels. Frankly I would never buy a diesel to pull a 27’ AS. But if you have the money go for it. I have driven one and they are beasts.
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Old 09-15-2019, 10:25 AM   #72
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One of the great advantages of having a proper sized tow vehicle is thst you do not need a weight distribution hitch and all of the hassles that go along with it.


Thatís just not true no matter how often you repeat it. Knock yourself out - make yourself happy - tow however you please - doesnít change the facts.
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Old 09-15-2019, 10:27 AM   #73
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AS recommends the TV to weigh at least 1.5 times the AS weight for safe towing


Hi - can you please provide your source for this? No one seems to recognize it. Iíve never heard this before. If theyíve said it Iíd like to know more. Thanks.
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Old 09-15-2019, 12:08 PM   #74
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A tow vehicle to trailer weight ratio of 1.5 seems more than enough. I doubt this number is recommended be Airstream as they are in the business of selling trailers to people with all sorts of lesser vehicles.

For what it's worth the National Association of Trailer Manufacturers has recommended a ratio of at least 1.0. Note that this would typically mean a 3/4 ton truck for a FC 27.
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Old 09-15-2019, 12:40 PM   #75
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Very interesting. On the graph, Hitch load is expressed as a % of what?
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Hitch load is expressed as a % of trailer and cargo weight.
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Old 09-15-2019, 01:01 PM   #77
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A tow vehicle to trailer weight ratio of 1.5 seems more than enough. I doubt this number is recommended be Airstream as they are in the business of selling trailers to people with all sorts of lesser vehicles.

For what it's worth the National Association of Trailer Manufacturers has recommended a ratio of at least 1.0. Note that this would typically mean a 3/4 ton truck for a FC 27.
Based upon that 1.0 ratio you would never be able to pull a classic with even an F350. Get a semi?
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All the fifth wheel trailers, horse trailers, and 18 wheel semi's must be in violation of the 1.5 or 1.0 truck to trailer weight rule as well.

My 5,000 lb truck is allowed to tow 12,500 lbs according to the manufacturers owner manual. A 1.0 to 2.5 ratio in reverse of what was earlier asserted. So maybe what was claimed is an old wives tale.
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Old 09-15-2019, 03:59 PM   #79
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A major correction in one of my previous posts.

Utah speed limit is 80mph. Most everywhere else with a couple of exceptions are 75mph out west.

Many like to travel in Missouri at 100kmph. Scares the family, so they prefer 70mph as a safer speed.
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Old 09-15-2019, 04:28 PM   #80
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The highest speed limit in the US is in West Texas at 85 MPH. Trailers, though are limited to 80 MPH. An Airstream can safely travel 87 MPH (the speed rating of the tires) if you have an adequate tow vehicle.
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