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Old 07-20-2017, 07:27 AM   #253
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In case I missed it which hitch setup do you use? Maybe part of my ride is because of the stiff springs on the F-350. I wouldn't call it awful but you definitely know it's back there when on bumpy pavement.
Makes sense. A 350 seems like it would need some weight on it's back to make it more comfortable. I use an e2 hitch with the lowest amount of weight distribution. My truck also rides a better with more weight on it's back. I take off the e2 bfore ridin dirt or gravel roads, the weight distribution makes the trailer a little bouncy on those roads. Without the wd hitch it tows great off road and with it it tows great on the highway.

I'm guessin maybe the wd hitch took too much weight off your back which is why ya started bouncin around.
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:10 AM   #254
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Wow. That's amazing that you had issues with a F350. Hopefully a Blue Ox Owner can chime in.

I can say my sample of one using a ProPride+Ram 2500 I can't recall ever being blown around by anything since Nov 2015. Towing is an absolute non issue. My expectation is that any good WD/Sway control hitch, properly set up, should be similar.
I would be looking at how tightly the WD was set. With the F-350 you don't need any weight distribution. You set it too aggressively it will lighten up the rear end and that gives you a real squirrely ride. I have went through that myself. With the F-350 the WD needs minimal tension to help with sway prevention.
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I would be looking at how tightly the WD was set. With the F-350 you don't need any weight distribution. You set it too aggressively it will lighten up the rear end and that gives you a real squirrely ride. I have went through that myself. With the F-350 the WD needs minimal tension to help with sway prevention.
You may have hit the nail on the head Frank! After dropping the trailer on the ball they jacked up the truck and trailer till the ball was back to original height again then they hooked up the chains on the Blue Ox to the eighth link. My truck did squat just a little when they lowered things but the tail end was still higher than the front like it normally sits. I hadn't done much research on the hitch setup before the trip and did not know how common it is for the dealers to lack proper hitch setup knowledge. I guess it's like a lot of things, if you want it done right do it yourself. Does it sound like they got it too tight for the F-350?
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I would be looking at how tightly the WD was set. With the F-350 you don't need any weight distribution. You set it too aggressively it will lighten up the rear end and that gives you a real squirrely ride. I have went through that myself. With the F-350 the WD needs minimal tension to help with sway prevention.
Unless you are also carrying a heavy load in the truck's bed, along with the trailer on the hitch. You may be lightening the steering axle too much for good control under adverse conditions. The w.d. can restore that weight on the steering axle. If you don't carry a heavy load in the truck's bed one has to wonder why you are using an F-350 to tow an Airstream.
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If you don't carry a heavy load in the truck's bed one has to wonder why you are using an F-350 to tow an Airstream.
Because I already have it, it's paid for and I love it.
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Unless you are also carrying a heavy load in the truck's bed, along with the trailer on the hitch. You may be lightening the steering axle too much for good control under adverse conditions. The w.d. can restore that weight on the steering axle. If you don't carry a heavy load in the truck's bed one has to wonder why you are using an F-350 to tow an Airstream.
With the stiff suspension and frame of a F-250 and especially the F-350 it is very difficult to transfer any weight to the front axle nor would you need to. The tighter you set the WD the lighter the rear end gets. Any weight transfer at all goes towards the trailer. And that is why one ends up with an unstable ride.
I had the opportunity to experiment with this recently. The fellow who purchased our 30' International came to pick it up with a brand new F-350 Diesel. He also had a new BLue OX hitch I had to install and set up for him since he had never towed before and new nothing about hitches.
Just prior to that I went through re tuning my hitch setting to the new F-250 Diesel from the F-150 that I was pulling it with for four years. The settings were different for all three trucks. After all that I had to reset my hitch again for our new 2017 Classic. I couldn't use the same shank I had with the International. Had I not experienced all this first hand I would have never realized how much difference there is in set ups between differing Trailer and TV combinations. So I am all hitched out at this point.
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That is very interesting Frank, but to confuse matters I found this towing information for my 2002 F-350. Note the weight capacities for WD and non WD, a huge difference. (the lower part of the chart is for receiver hitches). I've included a link to the document for reference.

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If you don't carry a heavy load in the truck's bed one has to wonder why you are using an F-350 to tow an Airstream.
Because an F550 won't fit in my garage ☺
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Question for you Ford Deisel guys. Can't you still get the old (very reliable) 7.3 diesel, if you get a big enough truck? Like the F-450. (If there is one.) I've heard a lot of good things about that engine. Thx
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Question for you Ford Deisel guys. Can't you still get the old (very reliable) 7.3 diesel, if you get a big enough truck? Like the F-450. (If there is one.) I've heard a lot of good things about that engine. Thx
Not after 2003 or so.
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Question for you Ford Deisel guys. Can't you still get the old (very reliable) 7.3 diesel, if you get a big enough truck? Like the F-450. (If there is one.) I've heard a lot of good things about that engine. Thx
After 2003 was still available for a while in other countries like Austraila but Ford ended relations with International Harvester's Navistar division in 2010 when they began producing their own Powerstroke engine for the first time, the 6.7L "Scorpion". Not sure if Navistar still makes the 7.3 for export but it's just too dirty for today's emissions standards. I believe it was still available for a few years after 2003 in the F650/F750.
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That is very interesting Frank, but to confuse matters I found this towing information for my 2002 F-350. Note the weight capacities for WD and non WD, a huge difference. (the lower part of the chart is for receiver hitches). I've included a link to the document for reference.

http://hillerford.com/v2/resource_li...sdtowframe.htm
That was a good read actually. There is loads of great information that should be included in the owners manual in every pick up today.

However some things you just have to figure out for yourself.
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After 2003 was still available for a while in other countries like Austraila but Ford ended relations with International Harvester's Navistar division in 2010 when they began producing their own Powerstroke engine for the first time, the 6.7L "Scorpion". Not sure if Navistar still makes the 7.3 for export but it's just too dirty for today's emissions standards. I believe it was still available for a few years after 2003 in the F650/F750.
Thanks. My brother has one in his 2000 F250. I thought he said it was still available, but you had to go to a larger truck. He must have received some bad info.
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I know some of the long time regulars around here might get tired of this stuff getting re-hashed over and over again but it is very helpful and appreciated by us newbies. I am trying to use this thread to keep learning instead of starting a new one. I have found some older towing threads and bookmarked them as well, and am reading and re-reading them but new information and new equipment and vehicles are always popping up. Plus I am the type that needs to read stuff over and over before the light bulb in my head finally lights up.

My brother in law always said he would never have a bumper pull due to all the wrecks he has seen. After all I have learned here I firmly believe that the reason for this is that the majority of bumper pull setups are not properly set up, or not optimized, and the owners do not know enough to realize this.

So even if some of you get tired of this, you are helping to make everyone safer and I'll speak on behalf of all the newbies in sending out a big thank you to all of you, and if there are some towing stickies or links I missed I would appreciate knowing about them.

Happy Trails!!!

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