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Old 08-27-2015, 08:37 AM   #183
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See now that is the funny part, for me anyway ... I see things differently.
I see people who acknowledge that manufacturers specs are not arbitrary and try to follow them when setting up their TV (truck or SUV) and trailer combo, and another group who think that manufacturers specifications are bogus or do not need to be followed (again for EITHER truck or SUV).
Sadly there is no accesible data bank on the incident of accidents related to being in or out of spec, so the debate just keeps going round.
Some grasp at straws attempting to "prove" their point, or worse resort to inflatory remarks.
I'll stay in spec no matter what we drive and hope I don't have to clean up any messes on the side of the road.
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:31 AM   #184
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Still, no need for you truck lot to hijack a persons thread. Again, your opinion was't asked for. And you're also suggesting that no thought went into the tow setup. Until you've tried towing with the combination, you really have no basis of comparison and are entering the discussion wholly uninformed. And enough of the wanting to save people from themselves nonsense. Show us statistics that these combinations are responsible for the terrible accidents that you first responders keep cleaning up. If you don't like these combinations, then don't buy one. And stop characterizing people as uninformed. It's insulting and rude. And stop spamming every alternate towing thread with your unfounded opinions. In fact, just stop reading them because it's clear the topic upsets your sensibilities. If you feel that strongly, start your own thread and talk amongst yourselves, but stop harassing members who choose a different path. You're doing nothing but trolling.
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:10 AM   #185
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We're considering a Toureg for towing our 28' International. Which model, packages and options did you select? Any options that you wish you'd ordered?
Hi, we just purchased a 27' International 2015 model. We tow with a 2012 Touareg TDI Execuline. Just completed our first long trip through the rockies from Vancouver Island to Alberta and back on Hwy 3 with has many long uphill and downhill grades up to 9% and long. We have the factory hitch option and we purchased a Blue Ox 1100 lb weight distributing hitch. The Toureg had no power issues on the long hauls up those steep grades. We had little to no sway only a bit of slight sway on some rutted hwy lanes and a bit in some high cross winds in Southern Alberta but just keep speed to 100k or a bit less when really gusty.
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Hi, we just purchased a 27' International 2015 model. We tow with a 2012 Touareg TDI Execuline. Just completed our first long trip through the rockies from Vancouver Island to Alberta and back on Hwy 3 with has many long uphill and downhill grades up to 9% and long. We have the factory hitch option and we purchased a Blue Ox 1100 lb weight distributing hitch. The Toureg had no power issues on the long hauls up those steep grades. We had little to no sway only a bit of slight sway on some rutted hwy lanes and a bit in some high cross winds in Southern Alberta but just keep speed to 100k or a bit less when really gusty.
How hard was it to control downhill speed on those 9% grades?
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Old 08-27-2015, 01:07 PM   #187
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cameront120.. when I said "uniformed" I was referring to the people who confidently tell other people that xyz tow vehicle is perfect for the other person's towing needs, when they are completely "uninformed" about the other person's number of occupants, their weight, the weight of the stuff they want to bring, how that all compares to xyz vehicles cargo capacity, the cargo space their stuff may require, etc. THAT is what being uninformed about another family's needs "is".

Some couples go RVing and carry relatively little with them and that suits their lifestyle. Others who engage in a lot of dry camping, fishing, boating, hunting, etc. typically need to take a lot more stuff with them. Familys with multiple children, dogs, etc typically need to carry a lot of stuff with them, as well. The cargo capacity needs of these examples can be dramatically different. And when someone judgementally chimes in saying "people carry too much crap around with them" I find that especially insulting and will react with intensity. No one has any business telling anyone else what they should or should not need for their lifestyle.

ultradog... you have read my intent wrong. Yes, we love our truck and know that it is perfect for our unique needs. But if you read my posts carefully, you will find that my focus is entirely on trying to inform people about assessing their cargo capacity needs first. This is the most common error made by many when trying to choose a TV. They and the sales people talk about towing capacity and often competely overlook cargo capacity. It seems most people focus on the fact that the TV has enough power to pull the trailer and gloss over the cargo capacity stuff. That was a mistake I made when thinking about about a TV.

We're thrilled with our truck, but I couldn't care less about what someone else tows with if it meets their needs and they aren't significantly overloaded with weight. It just irks me to see people chiming in left and right advising people to choose a particular TV without knowing anything about that other family's actual NEEDS in terms of payload and space. THAT is what I have been writing to counter.
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So start your own thread where, if people are interested, they may go and read your preferred methods. Stop hijacking threads where people are interested in discussing options that don't involve a pickup.
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I was in Kodachrome Basin State Park this past June and saw a couple of Airstreams. One was being towed by a Cayenne. The setup looked well sorted out. I saw when they were pulling in and never for a second thought, "that's stupid and unsafe". Actually, it looked like a great combination.

I only worry about a setup when I see someone yanking a trailer down the highway at 75 MPH plus and the trailer is dancing around behind the TV. I make sure and give them plenty of distance. Doesn't matter to me whether they are towing with a SmartCar or F450.
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Am I wrong to think that if we could measure a trailler stoping on its own it would be a set distance for its weight? So no matter what the TV, there is the same stopping force generated by the trailler, correct?

Would it then be a question of TV stopping distances?

I'm still learning about all of this and own a 2012 TDi Touareg. I have towed cars on a trailler a few times and am shopping for our first Airstream. We are looking at 19 and 20 Bambi's.

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So start your own thread where, if people are interested, they may go and read your preferred methods. Stop hijacking threads where people are interested in discussing options that don't involve a pickup.
No hijack here. Don't be daft. Show me where I suggested to anyone that they needed a pickup.
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DHart,
I can't say I'm convinced.
There are many people out here who can not afford a single purpose TV. They need a vehicle to be suitable for everyday use and occasionally use it to get out of town with their AS behind. Those people don't need or want a big truck with 50% over capacity. Yet consistently you advocate your big diesel pickup as if nothing else will do.
There are so many posts about towing capacity and what various TVs will handle. And so many people aren't satisfied with safety factors that are built into CGVWR tags on their vehicles so that they have to add another Bit of overkill to the equation. Such that I've made snide comments about people using F350s to pull Bambies.
Some people are worriers. They wake up and wonder what they'll worry about today. Maybe they need a little overkill to make them happy. That's okay with me.
But not everyone is a worrier. Not everyone needs a safety margin plus a safety margin.
They can live a little closer to the edge. And they might not have lots of dough.
You like to advocate for more TV than I think is needed. You interject your same arguments which I called
"go big or go home".
I think Cameron has a point about you 3/4 ton diesel advocates being out of place in a thread like this.
Just as you disliked someone suggesting you carry too much stuff others might not like your suggesting they need too much truck.
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ultradog... I'm not interested in convincing you of anything. My objective has been to focus on determining cargo capacity and sorting that out.

At most, I may have indicated where one's cargo capacity appears to exceed the rating of the considered tow vehicle. If you see something wrong with mentioning that then you have drunk waay too much cool-aid.

If you see value in threads where all that is desired are a bunch of rah rah cheerleaders, you discount the value of critical discussion.

Show me one quote of mine where I have made any statement to the effect that a big diesel pickup is required and nothing else will do. I'll bet you can't do that. Can you?



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I can't say I'm convinced.
There are many people out here who can not afford a single purpose TV. They need a vehicle to be suitable for everyday use and occasionally use it to get out of town with their AS behind. Those people don't need or want a big truck with 50% over capacity. Yet consistently you advocate your big diesel pickup as if nothing else will do.
There are so many posts about towing capacity and what various TVs will handle. And so many people aren't satisfied with safety factors that are built into CGVWR tags on their vehicles so that they have to add another Bit of overkill to the equation. Such that I've made snide comments about people using F350s to pull Bambies.
Some people are worriers. They wake up and wonder what they'll worry about today. Maybe they need a little overkill to make them happy. That's okay with me.
But not everyone is a worrier. Not everyone needs a safety margin plus a safety margin.
They can live a little closer to the edge. And they might not have lots of dough.
You like to advocate for more TV than I think is needed. You interject your same arguments which I called
"go big or go home".
I think Cameron has a point about you 3/4 ton diesel advocates being out of place in a thread like this.
Just as you disliked someone suggesting you carry too much stuff others might not like your suggesting they need too much truck.
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I think I've made my point and am not interested in having a hissing contest.
Have a nice day.
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I think I've made my point and am not interested in having a hissing contest.
Have a nice day.
And I've made mine. If you ever come across any of my posts where I've told anyone that I think they need a truck, much less a "big diesel truck" please provide the quote!

And a nice day to you as well.
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For some unknown reason I've read most of this thread. I've raced Porsches on tracks over the years and, while this might be slightly off topic, the overarching rule there is how close to the limits of the ability of your car and your skill-set you drive. My 10, discovered by spinning out in the proper setting, might very likely be a 6 for another more skilled driver in a more capable car. But that's not the key. The key is how close to that 10 I'm willing to go. I pretty much always left a decent margin and capped things at 7, maybe 8 max. Not competitive at those levels, but safe.

I do the same thing while towing the trailer, except more conservatively. I don't know for sure where 10 is and I don't intend to find out. I try to drive at perhaps a 5-6, maintaining 55-60 mph, slowing to the recommended posting on marked curves (always very conservatively marked), using engine braking on descents to maintain low speeds, etc.

Your setup will determine where your 10 is, but I don't think variation is huge with various rigs. The biggest variable will always be the level of our driving skills and I suspect most of us are nowhere as good as we think we are. Keeping a wide margin between your limits and your driving routine is the greatest safety factor in towing, just as it is on the track. Everything else that this forum obsesses about, hitches, tow vehicles, etc, is a distant second.

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