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Old 08-24-2015, 04:12 PM   #169
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I do not question the truthfulness of his post.
But to many, if not most of the members here having the financial ability to do that kind of experimenting is well beyond their means.
So for some, making do with the TV they have - even if that means fudging some on the "numbers" is the only way they can get out with their families and enjoy the great outdoors.
You may condemn them for their poor choices.
But I will commend them for living their dreams.
Ultra... no, I don't condemn anyone for their choices, though I may feel they are unwise choices. And I understand that if someone doesn't have the money to adequately equip themselves for towing that they might be tempted to fudge the numbers and hope for the best. But I think that's moving in the direction of reducing safety, rather than enhancing it.

What I condemn is the intensity with which some members of this forum go out of their way to constantly and repeatedly recommend to others that it's OK to blow right past manufacturer ratings for cargo capacity, GCVWR, etc. on the grounds that they have done it, or others are doing it, so that makes it OK. I don't think it's so OK to encourage others to exceed these ratings which are intended to help keep people safe-er.

Even if I made the decision to fudge the numbers a little myself, because I had no other choice, I certainly wouldn't be parading around trumpeting to the world wide web of newbies that it's perfectly fine to do so.
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Old 08-24-2015, 04:46 PM   #170
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Woiw! What a discusion... For the record last year a made 26 000 km across the Usa whit a 27 foot Airstream whit a gas Grand Cherooke. I did all the montain you can do whit my combo. Everything went very weel. I boot my 30 foot last november. I pull it whit my truck work a F250 and I can say the Touareg andel much better the the F250. SO FOR THOSE SPECIALIST HOW SAY IT IS NOT GOOD, FILL FREE TO COME TO MONTREAL AND TRY IT WHIT ME. AFTER THAT WE WILL TALK.. Like I say, when i pull my trailer i almost not notice is in the back. The Touareg is a exceptional suv for towing. I add and drive lost of truck i my live, and the touareg for me is the most well built suv.. Like I said sorry for my english....
Tino (O.P.), thank you very much for your honest report. It is great to read first hand experience of one who has towed with both a Touareg SUV and a F250 pickup. It is also great that you learned the Touareg is a much better tow vehicle than the F250.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:23 PM   #171
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I lot of honesty recently on AS forum...

I am just curious - are those "only truck can tow" guys also making (small-scale) attacks when they meet owners of SUVs with larger trailers on the road?
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:25 PM   #172
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Ultra... no, I don't condemn anyone for their choices, though I may feel they are unwise choices. And I understand that if someone doesn't have the money to adequately equip themselves for towing that they might be tempted to fudge the numbers and hope for the best. But I think that's moving in the direction of reducing safety, rather than enhancing it.

What I condemn is the intensity with which some members of this forum go out of their way to constantly and repeatedly recommend to others that it's OK to blow right past manufacturer ratings for cargo capacity, GCVWR, etc. on the grounds that they have done it, or others are doing it, so that makes it OK. I don't think it's so OK to encourage others to exceed these ratings which are intended to help keep people safe-er.

Even if I made the decision to fudge the numbers a little myself, because I had no other choice, I certainly wouldn't be parading around trumpeting to the world wide web of newbies that it's perfectly fine to do so.

I think you've made your point rather clearly.
Such that newbies who read this thread might start thinking there's a bit of OCD involved.
Life is full of extenuating circumstances.
Many will look back wistfully and think about the woulda, shoulda, couldas and how they might have done things differently.
One man may look back and wish he had bought Firestones instead of Goodyears because of the blowout that ruined their plans.
Or one says, "We should have stayed on the main route instead of the byway."
Another may look back at an accident that MIGHT have been avoided with a heavier tow rig.
And another man may look back at all the overtime he put in trying to pay for a better TV. While his family fell apart.
And maybe he thinks that had he worked less and fudged the numbers they could have kept things together and had a happier life and went on some trips.
To the newbies here I say don't be stupid.
Don't grossly overload your TV.
But don't be OCD either.
Those numbers on your door frame are not magic.
They are good guidelines. But they are not absolute.
There is a pretty big safety factor built into them. And hitches and suspensions and vehicles can be upgraded and modified.
Fudging things a bit will not cause you and yours to go down in a firey crash.
Go have some fun and don't worry about the dire warnings here.
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Pulling a long steep grade with an overloaded TV has everything to do with it. Does it not?? What am I missing from your prospective?

What I was told quietly off the record by the service manager at the Chandler dealership was that it was turbo heat soak. Hence the erratic turbo temp reading and high soot content. On the second report they did not replace the oxygen sensor but the whole CDI engine control unit which was a wild guess that MB Germany recommended.

I could keep going. Please PM me with a phone number and I am happy to chat about it.
A long steep grade and a heavy load would result in overheating faults being logged. What failed were electronic components, sensors and/or computer, with no reported or logged overheating. Blaming it on heat soak sounds like a way of saying it got hot after it was shut down (not while operating with coolant circulating) so we don't have a log of any overheat events.

But it failed while you were driving, not after you parked it.

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What I condemn is the intensity with which some members of this forum go out of their way to constantly and repeatedly recommend to others that it's OK to blow right past manufacturer ratings for cargo capacity, GCVWR, etc. on the grounds that they have done it, or others are doing it, so that makes it OK. I don't think it's so OK to encourage others to exceed these ratings which are intended to help keep people safe-er.
The point has already been made that the number under discussion is the manufacturer's recommended tow rating. I haven't seen recommendations to blow right past ratings for GVWR, axle loads, or tire loads, which make a lot of sense, to me at least. And which are based on engineering design and testing.

GCVWR is just another way of listing tow capacity. It can matter for commercial vehicles, where it is a defined term.
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Hank, I was a fireman as well, but I never thought it made me an accident investigator. Your two selected accidents don't represent data, just opinion.
Doug,

No problem. Data in the accident (I saw it, and did the work there), opinion of the cause (however, the opinions came from the investigating officers, not me)...

And I would submit they are data, since they represent the entire accident set for a month and a half! I left nothing out, and as such they represent the 911-related wreck activity on a 12 mile stretch of I-90 for 45 days...
Take it or leave it as your mind leads you.
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I further believe in conditional probability... The longer you do something the more likely it is to catch up with you. So I am trying to be more careful the longer I live.

And four accidents relating to vehicles and drivers caught my attention....
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Yes it is under warranty. Please let me know if there are any other questions I can answer.

I read the invoices.
Perhaps silly question - is it an automatic?
After leak checking the sooted turbo and finding no leaks, did anyone conclude the "soot" could perhaps be from overheating? Same with not being able to manually downshift? (due to overheating)
Having worked with various sized turbo diesels, mostly really big generators, the actual turbo itself is typically not cooled on purpose. So it is possible that the cooling system thinks things are okay but the turbo is overheated as indicated by the soot, inability to manually downshift (transmission overheated) and some of the failed electronics.
I'd open the turbo to inspect it for heat damage and send off an oil sample for analysis.
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oops - I am actually not the OP of this threat, but it is similar to one I started. Still amazed about the serious evangelism happening here.
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oops - I am actually not the OP of this threat, but it is similar to one I started. Still amazed about the serious evangelism happening here.
And how thick the uninformed opinions are here!
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DHart, your comments are really boring and annoying... we all know your opinion, a tank with WDS should be enough to tow a larger trailer (but without a lot of cargo!)... have some rest.

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bono... what's annoying are all the "sage" opinions from people who really know nothing about the details of another individual's towing needs, yet they vociferously proceed to tell them what will or won't work, with utter certainty. It's absurd. If these weren't fairly significant decisions to be made, it would be hilarious!

I have no interest in how big or small a person's TV is; it really couldn't matter less to me. Nor do I care if you are bored by my comments. Skip over them if they don't interest you. I'm fine with that.

I try to provide a little balance to the heavily-biased and heavily-persuasive BS that is so liberally slathered around here upon naive newbies. If it bothers you... it doesn't bother me.

Being a free and open forum of discussion, there will be many people chiming in trying to persuade others to follow the path they themselves have chosen. Unfortunately, many of those pushy opinions are detrimental to someone trying to figure out their own needs.

My objective is not to advise, nor to persuade anyone on what will or won't work for them. I simply want to help them understand the many factors that are unique to themselves that will help guide them to selecting a tow vehicle that makes sense based on their unique requirements. What I don't attempt to do is push an agenda for what I think someone should tow with, nor to try to convince anyone about what they need!

No one on this forum understands another individual's unique towing needs like that individual does.

Seek to educate, so that individual can confidently make their own decision, NOT to persuade!
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bono... what's annoying are all the "sage" opinions from people who really know nothing about the details of another individual's towing needs, yet they vociferously proceed to tell them what will or won't work, with utter certainty. It's absurd. If these weren't fairly significant decisions to be made, it would be hilarious!

I have no interest in how big or small a person's TV is; it really couldn't matter less to me. Nor do I care if you are bored by my comments. Skip over them if they don't interest you. I'm fine with that.

I try to provide a little balance to the heavily-biased and heavily-persuasive BS that is so liberally slathered around here upon naive newbies. If it bothers you... it doesn't bother me.

Being a free and open forum of discussion, there will be many people chiming in trying to persuade others to follow the path they themselves have chosen. Unfortunately, many of those pushy opinions are detrimental to someone trying to figure out their own needs.

My objective is not to advise, nor to persuade anyone on what will or won't work for them. I simply want to help them understand the many factors that are unique to themselves that will help guide them to selecting a tow vehicle that makes sense based on their unique requirements. What I don't attempt to do is push an agenda for what I think someone should tow with, nor to try to convince anyone about what they need!

No one on this forum understands another individual's unique towing needs like that individual does.

Seek to educate, so that individual can confidently make their own decision, NOT to persuade!
That's not how I would interpret your posts.
I see your constant wrangling as you are basically saying;
"I have the biggest, best, most finely tuned TT and TV out there.
Therefore I know better than everybody else what the needs and towing requirements of this community are. Go big, go overkill. Or go home."
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