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Old 08-25-2005, 04:30 PM   #15
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more than one set of numbers are close!

hi porky

so where are you these days and when do you head back to the arizona sand? i'm still considering 2-3 months at your park (dec-feb)....

figured you were a regular scale user.....i will be too, now.

ya know you have the wb# i wanted....since i have an 05/34....but since that # was taken i settled on 34/34.

a 34 so nice i wanted it twice! also it's my 2nd airstream.....hence 2air and i live in the 34th state......at least that's where my house resides.....my state of mind is in constant flux!!


no i'm not a numberologist but i may have slept in a holiday inn last night!

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oh and tin sista........i love that name.
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Old 08-25-2005, 07:29 PM   #16
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We will be in Gold Canyon on 11/1 ... hope to see you there. Currently camped in Great Falls, MT ... doin' the Lewis & Clark thingy ... I'm related to Lewis.

That's interesting about my WB# being 3405 ... never looked at it that way. The club just handed it out ... perhaps I should have asked for 3404.
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Old 08-25-2005, 10:45 PM   #17
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I recently went to the scales and came up with these numbers. My truck is an 02 Chev 2500 crew cab with a Dura-Max and Allison. It is the short box so I carry only 26 gallons of fuel. My trailer is a 1999 34 Limited. I used the Reese hitch with the dual cam anti sway. The truck fuel tank was full and the trailer LP tanks were just topped off. We were on the frist day of a 8000 mile trip so we were full of food fuel and water. The truck has a fiber glass topper and we carry a Honda eu3000 generator ,grill ,golf clubs ect. ect. The steering axle weighted 3940. The drive axle was 4240 and the trailer was 8340 for a total if 16520#. We were riding level all around so I didn't messs with the set-up. It also drives very well. I have since pulled up one more link on the chains and lowered the ball but I liked the feel of the rig better before so I returned to the earlier setting. I believe I am within the 10% rule Andy spoke of. My equalized bars are 1000#. I am thinking of going to a lighter bar for a better ride but I don't know if it's worth it. If anyone has a similar rig and has gone to a lighter bar I would be interested to hear your opinion.
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Old 08-25-2005, 10:55 PM   #18
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Just a quick post on the previous post. Most truck stops are happy to assist you on thier scales. It is nopt a hard thing to do. You simply drive on to the scale and stop. they will tell you when to pull off. If you can hit them at off peak times you might be able to adjust while on the scale. If you don't like the idea of a truck stop scale most grain evevators have them as do some small trucking companys and lumber yards.
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my only thoughts....were you and the family in the truck during the measurement. a couple of passengers in the front seat could easily add 150-200lbs to the front axle.....and you probably already knew this. also would it have been possible to take up the load bars a notch with out moving the ball height. lowering the ball would shift some weight forward and during braking would shift even more mass forward.....i experience this first had since the initial bar hensley sent me had a 6 inch drop.....the correct bar for me was/is 4 inches and this made a huge difference in how my rig felt driving, especially on uneven pavement or when braking.

i agree the truck stop people were great; since no one was waiting i did all of my fiddling and hooking/unhooking while on the scales.

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My wife (all 100#) of was absent from this weigh in. So yes we could gain a few # on the steer axle. When I took up the extra link to transfer more weight to the steer axle the nose of the trailer also came up and I like to tow level not nose high so I went back to my original setting. My ball height is adjustable. As I said before I also liked the feel. I know there are things I can do but I am very happy with the feel and ride.
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I need to do this with my setup. How much do they charge for this service and do you pay extra if you reweigh (is that a word?) after you change the settings on the hitch?
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Old 08-26-2005, 01:09 PM   #22
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How much do they charge for this service and do you pay extra if you reweigh (is that a word?) after you change the settings on the hitch?
FWIW, I've done the weighing twice, and there was no charge on either occasion at Old Town, North Florida, on Route 19. No charge for changing the links and re-weighing, but I checked the previous day, and asked when would be a quiet and convenient time. I certainly wouldn't do it in a line of hard-working 18-wheeler drivers on a tight time schedule. Nick.
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hi azflycaster and others

i paid 8$ for the initial measurement and 1$ for each reweigh so a total of
10$ for the numbers posted. then doing the truck alone(f/r) and the trailer (tongue/axel) added 2$ more.

i think reweights are defined as each addition set of measurements that day....so for very little $ you could get measures at each possilbe setting on the wd bars.....and even before/after fuel or water or with and without bessy. for <20$ you could load/unload and move all sorts of gear around while collecting weights......

of course this would qualify you for the obsessive/compulsive/anal retentive division of the forum (looking sheepishly around) AND i agree holding up truckers during a run would be a no no.

ymmv

visit www.catscale.com for more info on this common scale service co. and the process.

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one too many s's in that url.......

sorry folks that should be www.catscale.com

unless you want to read about the folks who make and sell scales......

btw for us newbies the CAT stands for "certified automated truck" scale.


sorry for the red herring link BUT since we can only delete/edit briefly.....the post shall remain in perpituity (sc).....

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Thanks for the info. I agree about holding up the truckers.
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the problem is on the truck which has e rated tires that "e" rating is only valid IF the tires are properly inflated which means 65-75 at a minimum. and for the full load rating they need to pumped up to 80!!!
while i'm not planning to roll the truck/trailer combined, many truck rollovers can be directly traced to under inflated tires....for the bf's on the truck 55 would be significantly under inflated.......but i do realize the trailer would like the softness.2air'
The Rubber Manufacturers Load Inflation tables for Light Truck (LT) tires can be found on several websites, including http://www.goodyear.com/truck/pdf/da...dInflation.pdf
Page 7 lists the table, which shows loads suited down to 35 psi.
I use these tables, after a visit to a weigh station, to set my Dodge Ram 2500 diesel at the recommended pressures. IIRC, these are about 55psi for my "e" rated tires when towing the Excella 25. It tows like a dream.This has been discussed at length on other occasions, but I feel any newcomer reading this thread should be aware of this alternative approach. For those who have not studied this subject, passenger vehicle tires (P rated) are kept at the pressure on the vehicle plate, but light truck (LT) tires may have their pressure adjusted to the load carried, up to the maximum listed on the plate by the driver's door. I don't claim any specialist knowledge of tires, so I just follow the manufacturer's recommendations. Nick.
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My local landfill has a scale and said I can weigh my Airstreams anytime for free!
I may just drive it over there one day this coming winter when I have some time.
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motive for free weighing?

be careful about visiting the land fill richard, they guy might know the scrap value of all o' that aluminiummmmmm.

hi nick

i'd really like to know more about how you commute from the the uk and work out the details for happy livin'. i've considered doing this myself. maybe you could post a note on what the uk/us cycle of living is like....

no doubt for your rig you've done all the measurements, made lots of adjustments and ultimately dialed in what you percieive as the best settings....and the 25er is barely an effort for that dodge ram!

i'm aware of the variable pressures for variable loads on light truck tires.....and i've worked through the tables a time or 2......they are sort of like the irs tax tables......anyway you run the numbers i still end up oweing more that i want......and end up back at 75 psi....

the tables do require a first hand knowledge tv/tongue/carrying loads---which is my goal with this thread.....gettin' folks out for the weigh in....

AND a realistic awareness of driving speeds.......since adding speeds above 55 means adding 10psi ......also i'm not sure if we can measure individual wheel loads or can believe that loads are balanced side to side in the tv......my 38gal tank is on the left, so am i, so is the dog, and in the bed i don't try to balance loads.....and i regularly drive at 65 or above without the tow....and sometimes with it....i know the trailer tires are rated at 65mph.....

so let's all remember tires fail from excessive heat. extra heat comes from under inflation. rollovers are linked to under inflation, poor fuel economy is linked to under inflatioin, poor stopping is linked to under inflation, premature wear is linked to underinflation......heck maybe even obesity is linked to under inflation.

except for perceived comfort very little is linked to max sidewall inflation....

instead of trying to use the tables and potentially ending up under inflated, i prefer to use an infared temp gauge and a pressure measure of what happens once the tires are warm.....if they go up >10% in pressure, i'll get out the compressor and add air at the next stop.

this exercise has been covered here too and it works....tires run cooler and pressures go up less with higher cold inflations....up to the sidewall max.

on the temp side the trailer tires run much cooler than the truck and at 65 psi the triaxles all measure at the same temps too.....i do love numbers.


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