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Old 02-17-2017, 07:57 PM   #15
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My 66 24' Tradewind weighs about 4,200 lbs. I am sure that I have lowered the weight by at least 100 lbs by removing the large air conditioner on top (replaced with a 5,000 but/hr window unit), replaced the heavy converter with a 3 stage lightweight converter, replaced the original China toilet with a plastic "Curve" toilet and replaced four steel wheels with aluminum wheels. I will reduce the weight by another 100 lbs when I replace the two golf cart batteries with a lithium ion battery.

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Old 02-18-2017, 02:48 PM   #16
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On new Airstreams almost all options are standard and included in the brochure weight. On the vintage units everything was an option and not included in the brochure weight. Equipped the same the weights are similar.

The Tachoma will tow any year 23' though.

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Andrew T's answer is most correct. The weight differences are generally illusory because the specifications and brochures from vintage years understate the actual weight of typical trailers as delivered to the retail buyer.

Weights have increased slightly due to the cumulative effect of: wider and more square bodies, heavier running gear, and the addition of greywater holding tanks.
Well NO Jammer & Andrew - that is certainly NOT "most correct".

AS had wide bodies back in the day, as well as fresh, black & grey holding tanks & had the weight ratings with options. If you make the mistake of looking at the "Park Model" weights, then you will be too low for a camping version.

Also, most of the Avion, Curtis, Silverstreak, & other Vintage Kin of the day were likewise bigger & better made, with most of the options of today, but they still weighed in at less than modern ASs - even when you put them both on a scale today wet & fully loaded.

However, to some extent you both are correct -

But NOT for 1000-2000 lbs & more differences. The major weight increases were changes in materials which I mentioned in my post above. Also, many of the updates made to vintage AS & other vintage kin trailers has reduced the weight of some options, such as the water heaters, AC & heaters, TVs (compare a modern flat screen to an old school tupe TV sometime), etc.

For example, our 1960 Avion T20 - which is 21'-6" L x 8'-6" W & 8'-9" H - bigger than a 19' AS is all respects - was rated by the factory at 2680 lbs., but today with a 27 gal poly fresh tank & elec. water pump vs. the OE 20 gal alum. air pressure tank & pump, increased black tank from 10 to 13 gal with lighter poly tank, modern AC & plumbing to modern lighter weight PEX & Poly materials, all resulting in a wet & loaded weight today of about 3000 lbs & maybe 3500 adding bikes & other extra camp stuff in/on trailer (instead of in the TV truck bed).

And this includes adding 2x 30 lb LP steel tanks (over the 10 or 20 lb. options), a Tekonsha RF brake controller on a 12"x18"x1/8" steel mounting plate, & a 162 lb. Hensley Cub hitch on the tongue!

Even when I add a 16 gal. poly grey water tank (optional back then), that only adds about 130 lbs of water & 50-100 lbs for the tank, fittings, mounts, etc. - so at most adding say 180-230 lbs. at most, & that assumes that one runs with all 3 fresh, grey & black tanks full - which is highly unlikely!

By comparison, a modern 19' Bambi is lucky to weigh in at 6500 lbs dry & empty. There is NO WAY the smaller Bambi is twice the weight of my bigger Avion, at 3000-3500 heavier, just due to options.

When Thor bought Airstream, they went thru & changed many things to lower cost, which had the side effect of both increasing weights & lowering quality - the latter is evidenced by the large numbers of complaints on quality by members on here, which you didn't see as much prior to the ownership change.

The new Airstreams are just made with heavier materials - the same as on any of the other Thor & others' box trailers of today, & have somewhat lost their way as being lightweight & easy to tow. Compare the AS weights of today, with any other SOB of like size, & you'll see what I mean. They're pretty close to what used to be the heavier trailers back in the 1950's - 1980's!

All y'all are kidding yourselves, if you think that your modern ASs are the same weights as the vintage AS's & contemporary "Silver Twinkies" even adding on options, wet & loaded!

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My 66 24' Tradewind weighs about 4,200 lbs. I am sure that I have lowered the weight by at least 100 lbs by removing the large air conditioner on top (replaced with a 5,000 but/hr window unit), replaced the heavy converter with a 3 stage lightweight converter, replaced the original China toilet with a plastic "Curve" toilet and replaced four steel wheels with aluminum wheels. I will reduce the weight by another 100 lbs when I replace the two golf cart batteries with a lithium ion battery.

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Dan, that window unit is probably heavier than a low profile Pengin or Coleman AV roof-top unit, & those are built to withstand the vibration on the road - which a household window AC is definitely not!

My guess is that you also placed the window unit it the rear window - which is actually the 2nd egress emergency escape hatch on trailers, so you've now blocked the only other way out, should a fire or accident block the door!

You might reconsider that change on your vintage AS!

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Thanks for your comments, but I don't agree. The Penguin 13.5k at 100 lbs is considerably heavier than the Frigidaire 5k at 45 lbs which you would expect since it is a much larger air conditioner. We only use the air conditioner about 5% of the time, so this system works fine for us. We usually camp where we don't need A/C. Most of the time it sits in the bottom of the cabinet. BTW, we typically boondock and so we operate the a/c using our 1000 watt Honda generator (the a/c only requires 465 watts). We mount it in a side window so the large bathroom window is available for egress.

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Thanks for your comments, but I don't agree. The Penguin 13.5k at 100 lbs is considerably heavier than the Frigidaire 5k at 45 lbs which you would expect since it is a much larger air conditioner. We only use the air conditioner about 5% of the time, so this system works fine for us. We usually camp where we don't need A/C. Most of the time it sits in the bottom of the cabinet. BTW, we typically boondock and so we operate the a/c using our 1000 watt Honda generator (the a/c only requires 465 watts). We mount it in a side window so the large bathroom window is available for egress.

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Dan, it sounds like it works for you.

I was thinking you had an 8-10-12K BTU window model, which are about the same or heavier. Even at 45#, be careful with window mounting, cuz the AS restorers I know say that the walls/windows framing are not especially strong. The 45# may not be too much, but you're adding vibration too, so you may get some window seal &/or skin seam sealant separation from the shaking when running in that position.

For me, I'll stick with an RV one in the intended top vent position, & when it's time to replace our current Coleman, I'll probably look into the heat pump ones, since the 6K BTU heat strip in ours is pretty useless, & sucks a lot of juice!

PS - IIRC, the smaller 8K & 10K Penguin or similar low profile units are only 65 & 75 -ish lbs, but still more than yours.

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