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Old 08-28-2015, 12:40 PM   #57
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Interesting conclusion... Is this calculated excluding the 2003-2007 Ford 6.0-liter Power Stroke V-8 twin turbo-diesels which prompted a large class action lawsuit and resulted in the named claimants being paid $150,000 each for their troubles in 2013? Or, does it include the gasoline unit warranty claims to help offset the aggregate corporate numbers?

The Ford-Navistar relationship was irrevocably broken as neither thought themselves to blame. However it took until the 2011 model year before Ford's self built 6.4 liter Power Stroke diesel hit the market.

www.DieselSettlement.com - Ford 6.0 Powerstroke Class Action Lawsuit

Sorry as stated in my post current year 6.7 diesels are what I was referring to.


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Old 08-28-2015, 12:57 PM   #58
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Kelvin,

check out pages 87 thru 91 about your biodiesel question from the 2015 Diesel manual supplement.

Essentially you need to tighten up the oil/oil filter and fuel filter changes on your truck (more often).

My truck is a bit older and only had a single under the hood 5 micron filter from the factory. There was a technical service bulletin for fuel quality so I installed the Mopar Severe Duty Fuel Filter kit which allows me to run up to b20 fuel. The severe duty filter is 20 microns and allows for more water separation. Both filters have a WIF (water in fuel sensor) and a drain.

I believe all the trucks past 2012 run dual filters - should be the same system that I upgraded to.

B20 is also a fuel that has more solvents to which the tank is cleaned thus a higher chance for dirt and greater chance for water.

Contact Bob4x4 on this forum and he should give you the exact information from Mopar.

Buy a subscription to Turbo Diesel Register magazine for a year which should answer your truck questions and put you at ease.
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Old 08-28-2015, 01:10 PM   #59
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Page 87 - 91 shows the 1500 diesel information. The Ecodiesel is B20 compatible and the manual shows the different oil change schedules.

The Cummins section starts at page 135. In the maintenance section it doesn't show different oil change schedules for using B5 to B20. It mentions reducing the oil change schedule for cab chassis and pickups that have the B20 option.

I might have changed my mind about the Ram if I was aware of this fuel limitation. The MB Sprinters are stuck with B5 or less although the Mercedes biofuel guide mentions you can use up to B20 you have to change your oil and filters more and will experience less power.

2015 GM Duramax engine and Ford 6.7L are B20 compatible. Ram is late to the party.

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I'm not pushing Flying J but their RV pumps have gasoline and diesel.
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Old 08-28-2015, 01:32 PM   #61
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I think you're misreading it. I see it as "Pickup models" and "Chassis models with the B20 option" - that is, all pickup models are B20 capable, and chassis models have it as an option.
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Old 08-28-2015, 01:53 PM   #62
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Or is it read "Pickup and Chassis" models with the B20 option.

I found the 2013 Ram 2500 brochure and it actually mentions B20 compatibility for the Cummins.
Searched for the 2015 Ram 2500 brochure and no B20 mentioned at all.
Maybe it was a big deal in 2013 not so much in 2015.

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Old 08-28-2015, 02:13 PM   #63
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This thread seem to have hashed and rehash the original questions. With the OP and readers' indulgence I would like to asked about a slightly different fueling situation.

Those of us with diesel TVs have the escape route of diesel truck stops. How do folks with long trailers and gasoline powered TVs solved the problem of crowded and cramped automobile fueling islands?" They (cramped stations) seem to be more and more the norm.

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I had a Tundra before my newly acquired Ram. I towed to Utah in June. Several stations were tight but maybe I was more confident now but I managed to squeeze in making some tight turns. I just insured to turn wide and use my convex mirrors on the tow mirrors to watch the trailer tires miss the island obstacles.

What was most annoying is cars fueling up then the owner leaving the car to go inside and pay or buy something while my truck and trailer stuck out obstructing traffic. I have some video of one fuel stop. I should post it this weekend.

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Old 08-29-2015, 10:37 AM   #64
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This thread seem to have hashed and rehash the original questions. With the OP and readers' indulgence I would like to asked about a slightly different fueling situation.

Those of us with diesel TVs have the escape route of diesel truck stops. How do folks with long trailers and gasoline powered TVs solved the problem of crowded and cramped automobile fueling islands?" They (cramped stations) seem to be more and more the norm.

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I can tell you as a gas TV owner, that if one station is busy, I just go to another one and don't have to worry about which island to use, only which side to fill up. I don't have to worry about DEF and I have one fuel filter that costs $15. I can get my oil changed in Boise for $16.95 and I am approaching 160,000 miles on my V-10. I just changed out my power steering pump which other than regular maintenance items, is the only real failure under the hood.
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I can tell you as a gas TV owner, that if one station is busy, I just go to another one and don't have to worry about which island to use, only which side to fill up. I don't have to worry about DEF and I have one fuel filter that costs $15. I can get my oil changed in Boise for $16.95 and I am approaching 160,000 miles on my V-10. I just changed out my power steering pump which other than regular maintenance items, is the only real failure under the hood.
My question was intended to be:

How do you find a station where you can maneuver to enter and exit the automobile gas pumps. Perhaps it is not like this in rural Idaho, but newer stations are more and more being built with the islands perpendicular to the building, so that you must pull in pointing straight at the building and its tiny parking area in front. Most of them would be virtually impossible to exit forward with a 30 foot trailer and a full sized pickup, even if no one was parked in front of the building. That leaves backing out the only option. That can be quite problematic, because conditions behind you can change drastically during the time you are fueling.

I am glad you have such a nice truck, but that does little to help with the dilemma I described above. I am not fishing to start a discussion about the various types of TVs. I am simply trying to hear how owners of large gas trucks and long trailers (27'+) solve the problem of using the cramped automobile islands.

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At least with a gas rig there are way more options open to us than a diesel truck. I do use truck stops once in a while since they all have gasoline as well. When it comes to having enough room to maneuver, you just have to think ahead and calculate if you can make it. I once filled up at a small gas station on the outside island and thought I could go around the back and out. Wrong!! It was blocked at the very back so I had to back up with the wife's assistance. Lesson learned, so now if I plan on doing that, I walk to the back and see if I can get through. Another reason to have a larger tank so one can pick and choose knowing you still have a few gallons left to fill up.
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Or is it read "Pickup and Chassis" models with the B20 option.

I found the 2013 Ram 2500 brochure and it actually mentions B20 compatibility for the Cummins.
Searched for the 2015 Ram 2500 brochure and no B20 mentioned at all.
Maybe it was a big deal in 2013 not so much in 2015.

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Just read thru the diesel supplement on my 2014. I agree that all pickups are B20 approved. In the electronic version of the supplement, the section headings are "Cab & Chassis models" and "Pickup models and C&C with B20 option" There have also been numerous 3rd party reports of B20 being approved in DEF equipped Ram Cummins.

I think you are freaking out over nothing IMHO.
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Two diesel questions.......

We find a station with Google then look at it from Google Earth.Same for restaurants along the way.Some are not easy to get in our out so this takes the guess work away.


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On our cross country trip this year I was totally annoyed with getting diesel. The trucker pumps were a hassle, regular credit cards did not work, I had to go inside, guess how much I would need then prepay. So they said if I guessed high, I would be credited back what I was owed? Yeah, ok. Not. So I guessed low and left with a less then full tank On the flip side, the car pumps with diesel were a hassle. There was only 1-2 pumps which were tight as it was, but factor in all the idiots leaving their cars at the pumps and it was near impossible to get a 50' rig in.

So next time I will definitely look into cards or credit accounts to use the truck pumps or figure something else out. Because it was a total pain.
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You just go inside and give them your credit card and go fill up.Easy deal.


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