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Old 08-23-2015, 07:40 AM   #15
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We use Pilot/FJ quite a lot. We carry the Good Sam RV discount card, so the price at the big rig pump is usually 7 lower than the cash price. We fuel so much faster than a big truck we can be in and out without holding up a professional driver. That said, the Pilot/FJ price is often higher than other area stations if you can get in and out.
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Old 08-23-2015, 08:52 AM   #16
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I just purchased a 2015 Ram 2500 CTD, my first diesel. I didn't realize the truck islands had high flow nozzles but it makes sense. So is the nozzle diameter the same as at the diesel pumps at the auto pumps or is it the flow rate that is different?

My Ram has thr "no fuel cap" filler, just a folding flap. Will the higher flow nozzles work better with this design without the adapter mentioned previously.

Are the RV islands typically well marked when aproaching?

Are the diesel prices and fuel grades the same as the diesel at the auto islands?

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Old 08-23-2015, 11:37 AM   #17
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I just purchased a 2015 Ram 2500 CTD, my first diesel. I didn't realize the truck islands had high flow nozzles but it makes sense. So is the nozzle diameter the same as at the diesel pumps at the auto pumps or is it the flow rate that is different?

My Ram has thr "no fuel cap" filler, just a folding flap. Will the higher flow nozzles work better with this design without the adapter mentioned previously.

Are the RV islands typically well marked when aproaching?

Are the diesel prices and fuel grades the same as the diesel at the auto islands?

Thanks

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The marking's for RV islands vary. Also, I visually plan an entrance and exit strategy before committing to enter the pump area.

The pumps in the truck islands are larger diameter nozzles and faster flow than those in the other islands. The faster flow is what gives me the most trouble. I deal with the larger diameter, by only partially inserting the nozzle and manually regulate the flow with my hand on the nozzle control.

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Old 08-23-2015, 11:50 AM   #18
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Nozzle Adapter

I was not aware that such a thing existed. A cursory search produces an adapter kit made for European passenger cars to use on truck islands. I'm guessing that would work. Is that what those of you who mention them are using, or is there something different made for US light trucks?

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Old 08-23-2015, 12:17 PM   #19
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I use the auto pumps with my 25 Safari. I pick my spot and avoid those with difficult maneuverability.
I have a 2000 Excursion 7.3. I purchased it new and it is in top condition. Yes, there have been non engine and transmission repairs, but the truck has always been as reliable as a new vehicle. Pre 2005 Dodges have a similar reliability record.
I consider all of the newer diesels problematic and if I were purchasing new I would go with a gasser.
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Old 08-23-2015, 12:24 PM   #20
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I use the auto pumps with my 25 Safari. I pick my spot and avoid those with difficult maneuverability.
I have a 2000 Excursion 7.3. I purchased it new and it is in top condition. Yes, there have been non engine and transmission repairs, but the truck has always been as reliable as a new vehicle. Pre 2005 Dodges have a similar reliability record.
I consider all of the newer diesels problematic and if I were purchasing new I would go with a gasser.
I'm not claiming to be a holder of the ultimate truth in the GAS vs DIESEL debate, however I totally agree with your statement in bold. To me, having to put processed and reconstituted urine in a vehicle before it will allow you to drive it, is beyond ridiculous.

(OK, so it's made artificially. To me that is also ridiculous, because we go through a lot of work to break down urine and dispose of it, and then we build another factory to make it artificially. Has anyone tried peeing in their DEF tank?)

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Old 08-23-2015, 01:18 PM   #21
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We prefer Flying J truck stops since they have RV pumps. Pilot which owns Flying J has a phone app that tells you the price and if specific locations have RV pumps. I have used the truck pumps but prefer the low volume RV pumps.
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Old 08-23-2015, 01:33 PM   #22
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We prefer Flying J truck stops since they have RV pumps. Pilot which owns Flying J has a phone app that tells you the price and if specific locations have RV pumps. I have used the truck pumps but prefer the low volume RV pumps.
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Thanks, that's good info. I use my phone for guidance often when traveling (not while driving).

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Old 08-23-2015, 01:58 PM   #23
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I use the big rig pumps when towing because they are twice as fast and also easier to get in and out of. When not towing I will normally use the regular gas pumps however a number of the stations where I normally drive only have diesel available at the truck pumps so I use them.
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The issue for me is that the Big 3 truck stops have a sign on their diesel pumps "Up to 20% Bio-Diesel" both in front for SUV/Sedans and the big rigs in back (all sourced from the same tanks).

My Mercedes service folks say to avoid bio-diesel like the plague (2007 and 2009 V-6 diesels with no DEF) and the 2012 Cummins (no DEF) in the truck manual said up to 5% bio-diesel in a pinch but then to be diluted ASAP.

One would be wise to carry a couple of spare fuel filters and know how to change them in the event of a clogged fuel filter and or water in the fuel.

Keep the receipts and log each fuel stop by location, date and fuel purchased in case you get a load of dirty fuel. You can then have a basis to pin the tail on the correct donkey to repair your fuel system.
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Old 08-23-2015, 06:05 PM   #25
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In az the deisel fuel at the rv pump is cheaper than at the truck pumps. I think it is a road tax issue.
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:57 AM   #26
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Pumped my first tank of diesel today

To test out the fuel tank capacity on my new Ram 2500 CTD I decided to commute to work with it this week. The low fuel warning light came on just as I was approaching two convenience store/fuel stations. Both had the same price for diesel. The first one, Phillps 66, wasn't as busy so I decided to fuel up there. I couldn't find any green handles on the fuel pumps. I circled around and spotted a lone pump on the side of the store. It wasn't a pay at the pump island and I decided to abort.

I went next door to the Casey's and it was pretty busy with people fueling up prior to heading off to work. Again I had to circle around the whole group of islands. I could only see one pump handle. As I returned to where I started the island tour, I noticed the first row had the green handles but there were cars taking up the pumps. Luckily one pulled out and I maneuvered in. Double checked I was inserting the green handled pump and the light was on the diesel button before pumping.

This was a learning experience. Large auto stations will probably have diesel on one island. With the Airstream in tow I won't have the selection of islands to choose from as I had towing with gas so I may have to wait longer for pumps to clear. Smaller stations with a couple of islands should have diesel at all pumps. I may have to check out one of the truck stops around here to see how the truck islands work and whether the prices are different.

I'm glad I didn't have the Airstream in tow today.

I ended up pumping 27.3 gallons into the 31 gallon tank. First tank average 16.4mpg no towing, mixed driving. The fuel average on the dash showed 18.4 so looks like the computers are still inaccurate.

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Old 08-27-2015, 10:50 AM   #27
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I try to aviod truck pumps when possible due to the the high volume nozzle being a pita. I do use them when I need DEF. Much cheaper 2.60 - 2.80 /gal. than the 2.5 gal jugs at the stores. With that said they are a pita to use as well. Yes I'm a cheap old buzzard so I put up with them. :>)
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To test out the fuel tank capacity on my new Ram 2500 CTD I decided to commute to work with it this week. The low fuel warning light came on just as I was approaching two convenience store/fuel stations. Both had the same price for diesel. The first one, Phillps 66, wasn't as busy so I decided to fuel up there. I couldn't find any green handles on the fuel pumps. I circled around and spotted a lone pump on the side of the store. It wasn't a pay at the pump island and I decided to abort.

I went next door to the Casey's and it was pretty busy with people fueling up prior to heading off to work. Again I had to circle around the whole group of islands. I could only see one pump handle. As I returned to where I started the island tour, I noticed the first row had the green handles but there were cars taking up the pumps. Luckily one pulled out and I maneuvered in. Double checked I was inserting the green handled pump and the light was on the diesel button before pumping.

This was a learning experience. Large auto stations will probably have diesel on one island. With the Airstream in tow I won't have the selection of islands to choose from as I had towing with gas so I may have to wait longer for pumps to clear. Smaller stations with a couple of islands should have diesel at all pumps. I may have to check out one of the truck stops around here to see how the truck islands work and whether the prices are different.

I'm glad I didn't have the Airstream in tow today.

I ended up pumping 27.3 gallons into the 31 gallon tank. First tank average 16.4mpg no towing, mixed driving. The fuel average on the dash showed 18.4 so looks like the computers are still inaccurate.

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Very good idea to check things out.

Many times I have encounter multi Island stations with only one or two islands having diesel pumps. Often there will be several pumps and sometimes whole islands vacant, but the one or two diesel pumps will be utilized by people pumping gas. Trying out a non busy truck island is a good idea also. That process requires pre planning also. There is apparently a certain etiquette that I always try to observe, but some truckers seem to ignore totally. Always pull out well clear of the pumps when going inside to pay. Everyone seems to do that. However some truckers spend forever in the store portion of the stations before ever moving their truck from blocking the exit from the pump they just left. So you can well get stuck waiting for a fair amount of time.

The computer is a rough indication of recent gas mileage. However several things can cause it to reset and start over, so it usually will not be as accurate a manual calculation at tank fill time.

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