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Old 09-29-2018, 01:45 PM   #1
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TV Advice for new Classic 30!

looking at 2019 F250 for TV for new classic, what would be the best bed length with the super duty crew cab? Is the heavy duty front end needed? We had been looking at a new 2019 Ford Expedition for the job, but after viewing some comments and advice on this site, it doesn't look workable. Any comments?
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Old 09-29-2018, 03:25 PM   #2
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Are you ordering one or buying one off a dealer's lot?

At least in the northeast, there are a pretty limited set of options that all the dealers seem to go for. For instance - finding a 2WD on the lot is darn near impossible.

I'd vote for the short bed with the crew cab. The truck gets crazy long with a full sized bed and the big cab. Parking begins to get nutty with all that length. Even if it's just a tow, you still have to park it in the campground.

I'd vote for HD everything you can get ( = turn it into a 350 or just get a 350). The price delta between a 250 and 350 is mighty small. Ride and handling wise they are very similar.

Why go HD? I'm assuming that you have a bunch of .... errrr ... fine stuff ... that you will bring along with you when camping. Tossing a 7KW generator and a couple of dirt bikes into the truck seems to be pretty common. Much easier to spend the extra few percent upfront than to try to upgrade things after the fact.

Some people have reported weird insurance / registration issues going from a 250 to a 350. It's probably worth checking on if you decide to go that route.

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Old 09-29-2018, 03:45 PM   #3
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I have an F-250 Platinum and it pulled my 27' very easily. I am assuming my new 30 will be just fine also. My payload is at 2250 on the truck. The larger tires and higher pressures make this a wonderful truck for pulling a trailer.

We are putting about 700lbs in the trailer and rarely pull with full tanks (another 1000) We have a ProPride hitch that would be a good investment for you.

By the way, if you are worried that the F-250 has a stiff ride, don't. It rides better than the 3 F150's I've owned. Great ride!

Get the super crew with the short (6') bed. The wheelbase even on the short bed takes a little getting used to. If you can get the full camera set, it is great for getting the 250 into parking spaces. I use the cameras every time.
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Old 10-03-2018, 07:22 PM   #4
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I traded my 2016 Expedition Ecoboost for an F250 diesel, pulling a 2018 Serenity 28. Glad I did. Not even a comparison.
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Old 10-03-2018, 07:45 PM   #5
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I have a 30 ft Classic and originally pulled it with a gasser F250. Ok on flat land but very underpowered up hills and difficult down hills. Traded it in for an F250 diesel - no comparison! Go with the diesel
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Old 10-03-2018, 07:48 PM   #6
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Love my RAM 2500 diesel, short bed, crew cab, and everything else plus Classic 30, Hensley hitch combo. I use the RAMbox every day, makes getting little things so much easier than crawling into the bed. The only thing I wish I had is the bed slide..I will in time, just haven’t done it yet.
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:07 PM   #7
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1. How much are you going to tow?
2. Where are you going to travel?

So let’s say you are only going on short trips near home. 4 to 5 hours. Maybe once in awhile a longer trip. Why would you need a diesel? I live in WI and use an F150 Ecoboost to pull my 28’ International. I pull with a propride. Pulls great. I hum along at 65 no problem. And I’ve taken longer trips to Indiana through Milwaukee and Chicago. No problem. So a diesel is not necessary unless you want to spend 9,000 more and have the possibility of some expensive repairs at around 100,000 miles.

Now if you are going to be pulling the 30’ Classic a lot; I mean weeks and months at a time then maybe a diesel is the way to go. Especially if you are heading to the Rockies. But the only real reason to go with a diesel would not be climbing the mountains but descending since the diesels have the engine brake which can make towing a lot more pleasant. Sure a diesel is going to pull that 30’ Classic better than a gas. But what’s the hurry? You only should drive so fast anyway.

I have a propride hitch. Not sure it would be necessary with a 3/4 ton. But they are nice.

So think about how much and where you are going to go with it. Most of the people that pull AS’s do so with gas engines. And they do just fine. A Ford F-250 with the gas engine has plenty of power. Heck a well equipped F150 would do it. You might need to put different shocks in or get a bit stiffer tire, but it has plenty of power to pull a 30’ Classic.

You are going to get so many opinions on this it will make your head swim:
1). Will a diesel pull that 30’ better than a gas. Yep.
2). Is a diesel necessary to pull that 30’. Nope.
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Why stop at a F350. F450 is the way to go. Only incrementally more money - http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ed-187468.html

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And there are folks who sware you can tow a Classic with a mid sized sedan on the ball. It’s entirely up to you.
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The gas vs diesel debate goes on here for thousands of posts a month. People look at their 1973 gas truck and compare it to a 2018 diesel. Gas powered trucks have come a long way over the years. It's not just the engines, but also the transmissions. You can accelerate from 60 MPH going up an 8% grade with a 30' Classic on a loaded (= bunch of crap in the bed) F-250. I'm not at all sure just how much more power you would need that that ....

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You are going to get so many opinions on this it will make your head swim:
1). Will a diesel pull that 30’ better than a gas. Yep.
2). Is a diesel necessary to pull that 30’. Nope.
To add to this, as there's a lot of misconceptions. There's also pros and cons to everything.

3) Does a diesel have more power?
Not necessarily. Torque is as measure of grunt at low engine speeds. HP is the measure of overall power, especially as it concerns how quickly something can be done. I.e. time up a hill. This is tempered by weight, i.e power to weight. Diesels are heavy. Don't be surprised that a gasser can be faster up a hill.

4) handling and braking?
Diesel's are no lightweights. Just like work truck, trains, cargo ships... they've never been known for their braking or handling.

5) open road
And this is where diesels shine. When steaming full speed ahead, they are resolute and stable. Because of their high torque (and power) at low engine speeds, they operate in a seemingly more relaxed manner.
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The gas vs diesel debate goes on here for thousands of posts a month. People look at their 1973 gas truck and compare it to a 2018 diesel. Gas powered trucks have come a long way over the years. It's not just the engines, but also the transmissions. You can accelerate from 60 MPH going up an 8% grade with a 30' Classic on a loaded (= bunch of crap in the bed) F-250. I'm not at all sure just how much more power you would need that that ....

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Bob: with all due respect you won’t be going 60 mph up an 8% grade with a gasser F250 pulling a 30 ft Classic. Been there done that. 30 mph maybe and the engine will be roaring with all it’s got. And you will get white knuckles on the way down the backside of the mountain. Enjoy your ride as best you can because I didn’t - and thus upgraded to a diesel. Now, maybe it will work with less cargo and a shorter trailer - but not anything equal to or greater than a 30 foot AS.
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Bob: with all due respect you won’t be going 60 mph up an 8% grade with a gasser F250 pulling a 30 ft Classic. Been there done that. 30 mph maybe and the engine will be roaring with all it’s got. And you will get white knuckles on the way down the backside of the mountain. Enjoy your ride as best you can because I didn’t - and thus upgraded to a diesel. Now, maybe it will work with less cargo and a shorter trailer - but not anything equal to or greater than a 30 foot AS.


Not true. Go to gauntlet test of F250 gas. Averaged 60 mph up 7% grade. And that was with heavier load than a classic.
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Not true. Go to gauntlet test of F250 gas. Averaged 60 mph up 7% grade. And that was with heavier load than a classic.


A “test” is very different than my experiencing it firsthand. I know what I experienced and am convinced that an F250 gasser is not up to the mountains task. Safe and comfortable is very different than possible
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