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Old 05-27-2018, 02:57 PM   #1
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TV Advice for new Classic 30!

Thanks to all who responded to my request for being able to tow a 28' FCRBTwin with a new Expedition. Since my prior two Airstream's were Classic 28' and 31', I am also looking at the new 30' Classic. Is there any SUV capable of handling the Classic 30? If so, what configuration is needed and what has to be added? Prior two Tow vehicles were Suburban 2500 3/4 tons! I prefer the SUV style over a pick-up! Thanks!!
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:34 PM   #2
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If you are into customization, there are lots of options. If you are looking at "off the lot" and staying inside all of the manufacturer's numbers, Ford claims the Expedition will do the trick. There's not a lot of margin ( = room for extra stuff ) by their numbers. Simply put, it's a heavier trailer than the 28' so all the comments on the Ford from the other thread apply here as well.

I've not looked at the "over $200,000" SUV's in terms of towing. If that's inside your price range you might to look at some of them.

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Old 05-27-2018, 04:43 PM   #3
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I too preferred the SUV vs Pick-up after significant research there was just nothing that would put me in the comfort zone. I think you will find the same conclusion is best solution.
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Old 05-27-2018, 07:08 PM   #4
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I think the Navigator may have a bit more punch. But not sure. Big problem for Navigator is you have to burn premium gas. When I was at the dealer getting my routine maintenance done on F150 I looked at some of the new F250’s. Man they are really big trucks. But I can see they would have the bulk to pull a 30’ AS.

I really hope Ford puts the 7L back in the F250. I really don’t want to burn diesel if I get an F250.

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Old 05-28-2018, 07:57 AM   #5
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I really hope Ford puts the 7L back in the F250. I really don’t want to burn diesel if I get an F250.

Good luck.
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How fast do you want to go up hill? The existing gas lineup in the F-250 will let you accelerate up a 10% grade when going 65 with a 30' Classic behind you .... The new(er) transmissions are part of it.

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Old 05-28-2018, 08:16 AM   #6
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How fast do you want to go up hill? The existing gas lineup in the F-250 will let you accelerate up a 10% grade when going 65 with a 30' Classic behind you .... The new(er) transmissions are part of it.
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Yeah, and you only have to turn 'Five grand' while going up !

Pass.

That would wear me and the truck out.
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Another Option?

Has anyone tried the NISSAN 3500 Passenger van? May not be considered an SUV, but has a ton of space for passengers, or cargo! Over 3,000 lb payload and about 10,000 lb tow?
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Old 05-28-2018, 09:56 AM   #8
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The 5.6 liter gas engine in the NV3500 is certainly capable of towing your rig easily. My last Nissan had an earlier generation 5.6 that had 213000 miles on it when I traded it in and the engine had never required any service other than routine.

The 3500 frame is the same as the Titan XD and is really herky.

There is another relatively recent thread here somewhere about the 3500 -- do a search!
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Old 05-28-2018, 10:31 AM   #9
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Unfortunately the towing capacity is never the issue. A bicycle can tow an Airstream. It is the payload that is the killer. A F150 can have a higher payload than a F250. Say what? Yes, a stripped F150 can have a payload of over 2300# and the loaded (all the bells and whistles) F250 can only have a payload of 1900#. The only place the trucks payload is published is on the tire pressure sticker on the door column.


Don't do what I did. Think all F250's can pull a Classic 30'. They can pull but not stop. My F250 with a payload of 1956# has a tongue weight of 1250 (fully loaded with food, water, and all the stuff you need in the trailer) Trailer weight is 8600# with 15% tonque weight. Now my wife and I weigh 400#, Stuff in the backseat, maps, audio CDs, Books on audio, umbrellas, flashlights, and a lot of misc things you might need 50#. This brings the total payload to 1700#. I have a cap enclosure over the bed of the truck that weights 300#. What a blunder I made $72,000 down the drain. I can't even put 2 empty suitcases in the bed of the truck. The tires on the truck are overloaded as are the breaks. What do I do with the folding chairs and table, the grill, the propane, fishing gear, bicycles, emergency tools, i am illegal all the time until I buy that 1 ton F350. Don't be a fool like I was and buy a tow vehicle just because it can pull the load. Make sure the breaks and tires and axles are up to the job as well. (The F350 cost only $600 more than the F250).
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I have a 2017 Classic. I also have a RAM 2500 and wish I would have gone with the 3500. My bad. I’m ok and well within the limits but it’s just me and two small dogs. I travel very lite, no bikes, no generator, no extra stuff, no cap, no bed rack, nothing.
Everyone has their own opinions on TV so only you will be able to decide what you want to do with your money. Pulling the Classic is a breeze, you just want to make sure you have the right brakes.
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Unfortunately the towing capacity is never the issue. A bicycle can tow an Airstream. It is the payload that is the killer. A F150 can have a higher payload than a F250. Say what? Yes, a stripped F150 can have a payload of over 2300# and the loaded (all the bells and whistles) F250 can only have a payload of 1900#. The only place the trucks payload is published is on the tire pressure sticker on the door column.


Don't do what I did. Think all F250's can pull a Classic 30'. They can pull but not stop. My F250 with a payload of 1956# has a tongue weight of 1250 (fully loaded with food, water, and all the stuff you need in the trailer) Trailer weight is 8600# with 15% tonque weight. Now my wife and I weigh 400#, Stuff in the backseat, maps, audio CDs, Books on audio, umbrellas, flashlights, and a lot of misc things you might need 50#. This brings the total payload to 1700#. I have a cap enclosure over the bed of the truck that weights 300#. What a blunder I made $72,000 down the drain. I can't even put 2 empty suitcases in the bed of the truck. The tires on the truck are overloaded as are the breaks. What do I do with the folding chairs and table, the grill, the propane, fishing gear, bicycles, emergency tools, i am illegal all the time until I buy that 1 ton F350. Don't be a fool like I was and buy a tow vehicle just because it can pull the load. Make sure the breaks and tires and axles are up to the job as well. (The F350 cost only $600 more than the F250).
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I don't know what year your F-250 is but, for what it's worth, the current F250/F350 have identical brakes with 14.29" rotors front and rear. The same E rated tires are also used on both models. The main difference between the two is the number of leaf springs at the rear. At least with regard to the late model Super Duty trucks, an upgrade to the rear springs could put an F250 on a par, payload wise, with an F350 especially if the F250 were equipped with the max tow package which includes the larger rear differential from the F350. It would be a lot cheaper than buying a new truck!
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Here's a great recent article listing the SUV's on the market that will do the deed. Ordered in terms of manufacturers stated tow capacity:

http://www.motortrend.com/news/suvs-...w-7500-pounds/

The Ford Expedition sits at the top of the heap rated at 9300lbs.
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Here's a great recent article listing the SUV's on the market that will do the deed. Ordered in terms of manufacturers stated tow capacity:

http://www.motortrend.com/news/suvs-...w-7500-pounds/

The Ford Expedition sits at the top of the heap rated at 9300lbs.


That’s a great overview, but it fails to mention payload capacities or max tongue weights. All of these vehicles are living with generally limited payloads when hitched to the big AS’s. That’s something the OP will need to sort through as they choose a vehicle. A 28’ or a 30’ Classic will put you in a spot where you’ve exceeded (or are very close to) max tongue or payload weights, while still being within max tow spec.

Andy at CanAm is a great source of info to make sure the vehicle can handle the tongue weight. For instance, GM SUV’s are max 1000# with WD, something like 800# without. They can be reinforced to handle more. Not sure about the new Ford’s tongue numbers. I can tell you that the Expedition Max Platinum Trailer Package I looked at a couple weeks ago had only slightly more payload than my ‘16 Suburban LTZ HD Tow. We didn’t even bother to look at 30’ trailers, and quickly ruled out 28’s after crunching the numbers. In the case of the 28’ and the 30’ International, we could pull them, but the payload shrunk to the point of being impractical or unusable. Both needed hitch reinforcements as they were over the max rated tongue weight.

My point is that we love the big SUV’s, but compromises have to be made and you have to look at more of the numbers to have a safe experience. At the end of the day, you’ll be close to or over at least one of the three limits with a big AS and a big SUV. It’s up to the OP to sort through what they’re willing to live with if they’re set on a big SUV (or until the return of the 2500 Suburban).
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Diesel has the torque you will enjoy in the mountains. Unfortunately I had to go from 6L Excursion to Tundra 5.7 towing my 30’ Excella. The difference is very noticeable ����
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