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Old 02-02-2013, 02:28 PM   #57
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It is a half ton and will be limited by payload before anything else. People focus on the weight of their trailers and compare them to the "tow rating" for the truck and figure they are good to go.
I completely agree. When we camp fully loaded, especially with my Ducati in the truck bed, we are essentially right at the rear axle and gross vehicle weight rating of my 2008 Tundra 5.7L double cab truck and our loaded trailer only weighs 5,000 lbs.

I would like to see an asterisk added to the max trailer towing number to tell the buyer to make sure that he checks the rear axle loading and the gross vehicle loading requirements. Or just tell him that the max trailer towing spec is with nothing in the truck and him driving alone in his underwear and about to run out of fuel.


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I have about the same truck and I love mine. Is your shift lever on the floor? I find that this really makes it convenient for down shifting when driving down mountain roads. As Gene has noted- plenty of power if you want to pay for gas. We average 13 mpg towing and drive gently.

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Old 02-02-2013, 05:34 PM   #58
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TouringDan;
Yes the shift lever is on the floor. I like it there, especially after driving 5 speed manual transmission trucks since 1985. Still trying to remember there is no clutch.
Haven't hitched it to the trailer yet. But have been getting 18+ mpg in a combo of Hwy and in town driving.
Looking forward to hitching it up. Now that I have the tow mirrors installed and air bags on the rear axle.
With just 2 people and 1 dog. We will be fine with the payload capacity.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:03 PM   #59
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I completely agree. When we camp fully loaded, especially with my Ducati in the truck bed, we are essentially right at the rear axle and gross vehicle weight rating of my 2008 Tundra 5.7L double cab truck and our loaded trailer only weighs 5,000 lbs.

I would like to see an asterisk added to the max trailer towing number to tell the buyer to make sure that he checks the rear axle loading and the gross vehicle loading requirements. Or just tell him that the max trailer towing spec is with nothing in the truck and him driving alone in his underwear and about to run out of fuel.

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I have about the same truck and I love mine. Is your shift lever on the floor? I find that this really makes it convenient for down shifting when driving down mountain roads. As Gene has noted- plenty of power if you want to pay for gas. We average 13 mpg towing and drive gently.

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Dan you are right on about your Tundra , I added a K&N air filter & that bumped up the mileage about 3 mpg on my Tundra, the filter is a little high on price but that will be the last filter you will need to buy. When the filter gets dirty you purchase a kit to clean your K&N filter be sure to go lite on the oil you spray on the filter so you will get better gas mileage.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:48 PM   #60
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Dan you are right on about your Tundra , I added a K&N air filter & that bumped up the mileage about 3 mpg on my Tundra, the filter is a little high on price but that will be the last filter you will need to buy. When the filter gets dirty you purchase a kit to clean your K&N filter be sure to go lite on the oil you spray on the filter so you will get better gas mileage.
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are you talking about just the KN filter that runs about $85 or did you have to change out the intake and put in the KN intake that runs in the $360's? I'd gladly pay $86 bucks for a 3 mpg increase especially when towing....

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Old 02-12-2013, 08:39 AM   #61
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I just added the K&N filter, but didn't get very much mileage increase. It was hard to tell because I did it when the truck was new and I didn't have much to compare. On a 4 Runner, I did get as much as 1/2 mpg increase. To me the major advantage is I don't have to buy another one and any mpg increase is a bonus.

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Might want to do the white glove test on the air intake past that filter. They are notorious for allowing dust past them . . the size particle size that wears out engines fastest.

K&N can show good results on an oil analysis test (along with some other brands), but it's a crapshoot.

I guarantee I wouldn't use one on a non-race vehicle (and I was using them 30-years ago).

Improper cleaning and re-oiling leads to yet further problems.

An air filter is ten times more important than an oil filter as the latter barely works as a filter (more of a screen, in effect). This is not true of the air filter. Proper functioning is vital.

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Certainly on a technical theoretical level I can see no reason a K&N filter would increase fuel economy significantly.

Under 99 percent of driving, the throttle plate is serving as an intentional restriction. A desired level of engine output dictates a given level of intake manifold vacuum to achieve that output. The engine doesn't care whether the restriction is from the throttle plate or the very minor level of restriction from the stock air filter.

The only time the K&N could give a smidge better fuel economy is at wide open throttle at high RPM, engine at open loop, and the extra air could give a slightly leaner mixture. This scenario is vanishingly low in the overall amount of fuel consumed.
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Thanks for weighing in on this, I think i will save my money.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:01 PM   #65
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I towed a 27FB Airstream with my 2007 Tundra 5.7 for about 5,000 miles. The Tundra power but I always felt a little uneasy as the loaded AS approaches the limit of the Tundra. I also had air bad spring helpers installed.

I traded the 27 AS for a 30 and towed with the same Tundra and a ProPride hitch. It was always uncomfortable. Also I got somewhere around 8 MPG with the Tundra.

I recently moved to a Ford 350 (long bed) to also be able to load my 1200 CC motorcycle in the truck and also tow the airstream. It is like night and day difference. Very stable and one hand on the highway is comfortable. I also have gone from 7-8 MPG to about 13 MPG with the diesel in the Ford.

I love my Tundra but it was not the right vehicle to tow the 30 airstream and the significantly increased milage with the diesel more that makes up for the slightly higher fuel price.

Good luck and enjoy your package whatever your final decision.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:35 PM   #66
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Took a short trip a couple of weeks ago, only 340 miles. The '74 Argosy 26' towed like a dream behind the 08 Tundra. Driving on slush covered roads after waking up on the last day with +1 degree temps. I averaged 12.8 mpg.
Planning a 4,000 miles trip in late May early June. Really looking forward to it with the Tundra.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:58 PM   #67
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Love for everyone to weigh their vehicles, fully loaded on the scales, some might be amazed at how much weight is sitting on tow vehicles axels - often exceeding the limitations!
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:20 PM   #68
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I towed a 27FB Airstream with my 2007 Tundra 5.7 for about 5,000 miles. The Tundra power but I always felt a little uneasy as the loaded AS approaches the limit of the Tundra. I also had air bad spring helpers installed.

I traded the 27 AS for a 30 and towed with the same Tundra and a ProPride hitch. It was always uncomfortable. Also I got somewhere around 8 MPG with the Tundra.

I recently moved to a Ford 350 (long bed) to also be able to load my 1200 CC motorcycle in the truck and also tow the airstream. It is like night and day difference. Very stable and one hand on the highway is comfortable. I also have gone from 7-8 MPG to about 13 MPG with the diesel in the Ford.

I love my Tundra but it was not the right vehicle to tow the 30 airstream and the significantly increased milage with the diesel more that makes up for the slightly higher fuel price.

Good luck and enjoy your package whatever your final decision.
Dave, good to see a towing story that mirrored my experience with a 30 AS behind my 2011 Chevy 1500 crew cab with the 6.2 403 hp V8 gas. I loved that truck and by itself it would sit you back in your seat if you wanted it to. With the 30 Flying Cloud I would get 8mpg and the 1/2 ton always felt like it was getting pushed around more than I liked. Traded for a Chevy 2500 HD, Duramax and the tow is great--the trailer now follows the truck instead of feeling like it's competing for control. The instant acceleration is now there when you need it. I power up hills most always without a shift and on interstates, when traffic permits, I set 70 on the cruise control and just go. MPG at that speed will come in at 12mpg.

I believe the 1/2 ton gas would have done the job, but limits were really being pushed: such as, I replaced the factory hitch receiver with a class IV because Chevy told me the tongue weight limit for factory receiver was 600#.

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[QUOTE=tpi;1260435]Under 99 percent of driving, the throttle plate is serving as an intentional restriction. A desired level of engine output dictates a given level of intake manifold vacuum to achieve that output. The engine doesn't care whether the restriction is from the throttle plate or the very minor level of restriction from the stock air filter.[QUOTE]


Very true - except for the newly introduced use of direct injection that gasoline engines now utilize ala diesels.... Makes for an interesting changing world!
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I tow with a Tundra and find it very safe and secure. True, if I go 70 mph I only get 7 mpg. Therefore, I don't go 70. I go 55 mpg and get 10-12 mpg depending on wind. Between the Tundra and the Ram I would have to say Tumdra. I looked at a Ram before I bought the Tundra. The fit and finish of the Tundra seemed a little better to me. I do not like the 2014 Silverado.
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