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Old 11-24-2012, 07:53 PM   #29
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Mike91208; Is your truck a long box?
The one with the 164.6" wheel base?
My dream truck is a 4x2 Tundra Double Cab with the long box. 5.7 Ltr V8.
No, it's a double-cab, 'regular' box. (don't really know the dimension off hand, but I know it's not the long box)
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:28 AM   #30
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You will most likely never have any problems with the Tundra. Lots of folks on these forums use them with success. Sal
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:21 AM   #31
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No, it's a double-cab, 'regular' box. (don't really know the dimension off hand, but I know it's not the long box)
It is probably 6 1/2 feet. Some of the giant cabs (crew cab?) are 4 1/2 feet. I believe there is an 8 foot one available on the regular cab, but you'd have to check on the Toyota website to see what comes with what.

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Old 11-25-2012, 11:38 AM   #32
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I pull with the 5.7 Tundra and got plenty of power. It's an OK daily driver, mine has the TRD off road package I don't have a clue why I let my sales guy talk me into that, but with the package let's say the ride is jiggly. I'm thinking about moving up to a FC27FB myself and wouldn't think I would have to change tow vehicles. I don't hear any complaints with respect to reliability on the Toyota. The mileage on diesel trucks in general has gone down the tubes with the pollution control here in California (don't know about the rest of the country). I work in heavy construction and notice most all contractors (big and small) have gone away from the diesels. They claim the maintenance and repairs are higher than gas and diesel fuel has gone up in price plus more expensive to buy up front. Food for thought, the Dodge is an Italian car nowadays. Fiat starting controlling them a while back.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:44 AM   #33
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While gas engines now have higher torque numbers, please note the rpms the engine is turning to generate that torque value. Typically the engines will be over 3,000 rpm. My 3 liter diesel generates the max torque curve between 1400 and 2400 rpm. Thus the engine works optimally at the speeds I drive. Less engine noise and bearing wear.

Just another consideration in the engine discussion.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:05 PM   #34
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Diesels have a narrow maximum torque band. That requires lots of shifting and with automatics with lots of gears, that gets solved. Stick shifts in large diesel trucks may have as many as 16 gears; glad I don't have to shift that. Diesels with automatics are engineered to stay within that narrow torquer band. Gas engines have maximum torque at higher rpms (though there are significant differences between gas engines meaning that maximum torque may be developed at lower or higher rpms) generally; the maximum torque band is generally wider on the gas engine. Gas engine automatics are also engineered to stay within that engine's wider torque band—thus they shift less in most designs.

Each species of engine is built for these rules of torque. Running at high rpm is built into gas engines, so bearing wear should be not very different. Noise is a factor of insulation, exhaust systems and other ways to dampen noise—you can make any engine fairly quiet. What seems like noise to one person is not to another—just ask my wife what she thinks when I turn up the volume when Eric Clapton is playing the blues. Going uphill fast with high rpms generates some noise, but it doesn't bother me. It is just what the engine does and it doesn't have to do it very often. Some people associate high rpm noise with bad things, but the companies know that engines will be run this way, so they design for it. I had to make this same explanation to my wife a week or two ago.

Our Tundra typically runs at (very roughly) 2,000 rpm when cruising. It can get down to 1,500 sometimes on a slight downgrade. It is a big long stroke V8, not so different in the V8's of decades ago in that regard. On moderate hills it'll jump to 2,500-3,000 for short distances. Steep ones can bring it up to 4,000 and more. The red line has never been broached. Downshifting on steep hills can also bring it pretty high, but that sound is reassuring and makes me happy.

Gas engines used to wear out much, much faster than diesels. But they were build for different purposes. Diesels were used for commercial uses and the people who bought them wanted engines that lasted for many hundreds of thousands of miles. Gas engines were for family sedans and a few light trucks (a generation or two ago few people owned light trucks) and the companies thrived on quick turnover of cars and no one cared if the engines didn't last (some started going bad at 50,000 miles). Things have changed and so have engines and transmissions. Gas engines last a very long time now.

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O geez... another gas vs diesel argument...
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:45 PM   #36
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O geez... another gas vs diesel argument...
This is nothingówait 'til it is a gas vs. diesel vs. electric argument.

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Old 11-25-2012, 02:42 PM   #37
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I pull with the 5.7 Tundra and got plenty of power. It's an OK daily driver, mine has the TRD off road package I don't have a clue why I let my sales guy talk me into that, but with the package let's say the ride is jiggly. I'm thinking about moving up to a FC27FB myself and wouldn't think I would have to change tow vehicles. I don't hear any complaints with respect to reliability on the Toyota. The mileage on diesel trucks in general has gone down the tubes with the pollution control here in California (don't know about the rest of the country). I work in heavy construction and notice most all contractors (big and small) have gone away from the diesels. They claim the maintenance and repairs are higher than gas and diesel fuel has gone up in price plus more expensive to buy up front. Food for thought, the Dodge is an Italian car nowadays. Fiat starting controlling them a while back.
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TerryC,

I too have the TRD package, but have never been clear on what is different than the non-TRD other than the Bilsteins and the skid plate. I bought used and it was on the truck already. Do you know?
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I too have the TRD package, but have never been clear on what is different than the non-TRD other than the Bilsteins and the skid plate. I bought used and it was on the truck already. Do you know?
The info on that is kind of vague in the book I have on 2007 models. But it includes off road tuning of suspension, front tow hooks, sliding rear window, fog lamps, different wheel design. Strangely it does not mention the shocks and skid plates, two of the most important items. These packages change a lot, so each year would be possibly different.

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Old 11-25-2012, 04:37 PM   #39
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Not to beat a deadhorse,

But I want to throw another vote towards the Tundra. I have 6.0 Liter 1/2 Ton Silverado and just got done with an 11K mile trip pulling the Airstream, From Ohio to California and then to Maine and it did just fine.

I use a weight distributing hitch and added some extra leaf springs and drove safely, by that I mean, I drove like a was towing an expensive trailer that I want to have for years.

All the talk about "Power" to pass and to negotiate traffic is a bit much for me. A half ton truck, with the specs the Tundra has, will be more then ample. If you really feel the need to constantly pull a camper in excess of 70mph and pass traffic at greater speeds then sure- consider the diesel.

But if your a weekend warrior who only has a chance for long extended trips once a year, then MOST 1/2 Ton Trucks will serve the purpose of hauling your camper just fine, under normal and SAFE driving.

I climbed hills in the slow lane, and undoubtedly I could have accelerated, but I like my gas mileage and keeping the truck running cool and around 3k RPMs or less. I fully agree the Diesel's provide better power, just for the application of of "part" time towing vehicle I dont think the juice is worth the squeeze.
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Glad you mentioned cooling, mgm. I see posts from time to time about overheating while towing. I have never seen any from Tundra owners. Our experience is that the needles (engine and transmission) hardly ever moves and only the slightest bit when it does.

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Old 11-29-2012, 08:16 PM   #41
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The airforums are great help, they are correct about the Tunda I am towing a 31' ft. AS Excella with a. 2007 Tunda 5.7 Eng. at 60 M.P.H getting 12 Miles Per gallon. Also a real smooth ride.
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Years ago I towed an SOB with a Chev 3/4-ton Sportsvan. I remember getting 8 mpg going through the mountains in Northern Ontario. Now, I tow a 32-ft AS with a 1999 Dodge Ram 2500HD with the 2nd generation Cummins diesel - that's the noisy one! Every time I go through Customs I have to kill the engine so that I can hear and be heard.

However, last year I towed almost 20,000 miles, from home down to Quartzsite AZ and back, several rallies and a trip up to Sioux Lookout in Northern Ontario. The Cummins diesel easily handles all the mountains. The truck has a cap over the long bed, and I carry quite a bit of stuff, including a 3,000-watt generator.

Our car back home is a diesel VW Passat wagon - gets something like 50-55 mpg.

Because diesel engines are long stroke (needed to get the compression up), they typically turn a lot slower than gas engines and have a lot of torque. Because they turn slower than gas engines, they don't wear as much. It is not uncommon for diesel engines to go over 750,000 miles. The 350 cid engine in my old Chev Sportsvan which had a 4.10:1 rear end lasted 130,000 miles before it needed to be replaced.

Some food for thought.
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