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Old 11-23-2012, 12:29 PM   #15
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The Tundra has very nice accurate steering which is plus for towing. This is one heck of a truck (I've owned five overall from different mfg.).

I went from Tundra and 25' Airstream to a 24' Class C on E450 chassis. By comparison the handling and V10 powertrain of the E450 is primitive.

Love the new motorhome, but have to give a hearty endorsement to the Tundra. A neighbor just bought one to tow his toyhauler and he was raving about his too.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:35 PM   #16
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I tow our 28' Safari with the Chevy 1/2 ton 5.3 and average 12mpg since owning it for 2 seasons now and towing over 8000 miles. With the 6 speed tranny, it gets about 1 mpg more than my last Chevy truck.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:24 PM   #17
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You go to a diesel for performance, not economy. While in general diesels do get better fuel mileage apples to apples, you have to figure on $5K up front additional just to get that power plant.

If you're only pulling a mid 20's foot trailer, you have no need to go to a diesel. Truth be known, my truck is probably more than I need for my 34 footer. But, the silver tube isn't the only trailer I pull. I wanted something with tons of torque. The Cummins delivers in spades.

The new diesels don't get as good a mileage as the ones from 5-7 years ago because diesels are now in the primitive stages of emissions controls. It's basically 1973 for diesels. Whereas my '04 Ram (that I bought new and has 41K on it now) gets 20-21mpg (used to get 22-23 mpg before they went to the low sulphur fuel), a new one will be lucky to see 16mpg. You can remove the dpf unit and get the mileage back. But you're basically breaking the law in many states if you do that.

I think somebody might have mentioned the F-150 EcoBoost for you. That might be a worthy option as well.

At 27 feet, you're getting close to where I'd personally consider a 3/4 ton truck. But a half ton should do nicely.

Anyway, if you like the Tundra, get one. It will certainly do the job for you. I used to tow with a Ford V10 Excursion. It did a good job too. But my Ram long bed quad cab with the turbodiesel pulls the 34 footer like it's barely back there. For me, that is great. As well, if I want to haul 9000 pounds of steel in my utility trailer, that works too.

Hey, how about a '78 Ramcharger with a 440??!! A friend of mine had one and he could burn off all four tires with it
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:58 PM   #18
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Silvia, Jim has it correct. At 27 foot, you are in that range that would be just about max without a diesel. I see a lot of people like their Tundra's, and I'd love to see the one that gets 10 to 12 mpg while towing a 27 footer.

If you are not going far, and not going often; sure go ahead and buy a gas 1/2 ton. Just know if in the hills, there is going to be a lot of gear shifting going on. I pulled our 2012 30 foot Flying Cloud with our 2011 Chevy 1/2 ton 4/4 crew cab with the 403 hp 6.2 on it's maiden voyage only. The 2012 Duramax 3/4 ton crew cab has been in front since--with trips to TX hill country, NM mountains and a trip to the coast of TX. There is no comparison. But then maybe it's just me. In my younger life, I was a Navy fighter pilot and later an Airline pilot--I know what it is like to be slow and low on power at the same time. No such thing as too much power (in our case torque and turbo charger acceleration).

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Old 11-24-2012, 12:04 AM   #19
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Do you mind shifting down as needed for mountain grades? If so, Diesel.

Do you mind waking everybody up in the campground when you leave early in the morning? If so, gas.
I dont think that noise has been an issue with the recent EPA choked diesels. At least for us fellow campers have asked if we really had a diesel in our unit or just the badging on the side of the TV...
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:24 AM   #20
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With the new diesels (after 2005) they're suppose to be 50% quieter. I've left early and not to my knowledge have had any complaints reported. The Class A (gas and diesel) make more noise then my 2007 Dodge 6.7L. when they take off.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:14 AM   #21
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Yep, it was the advent of common rail injection that really quieted them down. They run a tremendous fuel pressure and actually squirt a little bit into the chamber and it starts to light as they then inject the main charge. It gives better combustion, a smoother combustion, and doesn't hammer so hard as the older style did. They are more efficient due to the better combustion, and quiter due to the more gradual light off.

I find the DuraMaxes in particular to be really quiet. My Cummins is louder than a Duramax, but it's WAY quieter than my dad's older model Cummins with the old style injection. I think Ford is in the middle noisewise.

Nobody has ever complained about mine early in the morning, but I purposely don't let it idle for 20 minutes while I'm hooking stuff up. I get the hitch on the ball and then shut the truck off. I restart when we're pulling out. Just trying to be considerate

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Old 11-24-2012, 08:58 AM   #22
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The new diesels are quiet as gassers. Iv been walking by a truck idling at a local hardware store and had to stop and do a double take. I couldnt decide if it was gas or diesel! The lower rumble gave it away but to say it was loud would be incredibly wrong. I do agree before about 2008, they do get noisy. My dad owns the 6.0 Powerjoke, and it is quite noisy. The old 7.3Ls... you probably couldnt carry on a conversation standing next to them. And on the other hand, my gasser F-250 makes more noise than a diesel could ever imagine. True dual glasspacks + big block = Whatd ya say? Couldnt hear ya.

I may be showing my age but I dont think you should make a decision on a TV due to noise in my personal opinion
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:16 AM   #23
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With more and more gears, there's going to be more and more gear shifting, but since automatics are now dominating light trucks, you don't have to do it. The 6 speed Tundra transmission shifts very smoothly. Unless I'm trying to pay attention to it, I don't even notice it most of the time. The only relatively noisy time is going up steep grades fast when it drops down to 3rd for a while. The engine is very quiet most of the time. It can be hard to tell it is running when idling.

We always preferred stick shifts, but it is hard to get now. I'm not sure I'd want to do all the shifting necessary now to get lots of power and better mileage—and it seems the automatics are smarter than I am. I guess we'll see 3 transmission options in the future—many speed automatics, CVT's or electric motors powering the wheels, so no transmission. I never have figured out CVT, but it seems to hold on at the edge. Younger people may not remember the 3 speed stick on the column mated with a big, gas hog V8 that was the standard for a long time.

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Old 11-24-2012, 10:26 AM   #24
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At 27 foot, you are in that range that would be just about max without a diesel. I see a lot of people like their Tundra's, and I'd love to see the one that gets 10 to 12 mpg while towing a 27 footer.
I tow a 27FB (really 28') and EASILY get 12 mpg with my 2011 Tundra (2 wheel drive). That is to say 12 mpg is the worst I've ever gotten.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:02 PM   #25
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Mike91208; Is your truck a long box?
The one with the 164.6" wheel base?
My dream truck is a 4x2 Tundra Double Cab with the long box. 5.7 Ltr V8.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:21 PM   #26
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The Tundra has very nice accurate steering which is plus for towing. This is one heck of a truck (I've owned five overall from different mfg.).

I went from Tundra and 25' Airstream to a 24' Class C on E450 chassis. By comparison the handling and V10 powertrain of the E450 is primitive.

Love the new motorhome, but have to give a hearty endorsement to the Tundra. A neighbor just bought one to tow his toyhauler and he was raving about his too.
Apples and oranges? Sal
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:20 PM   #27
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Apples and oranges? Sal
Perhaps Sal. I thought a little cross RV insight may be interesting. Perhaps others do too. I had the Airstream/Tundra combo for a month after buying the motorhome and got some good comparison time. The handling of that particular rig was it's best quality.

FWIW I towed the Airstream for much of its life w/ 1999 F250 diesel. The handling precision of the Tundra was much better (sharper, more accurate steering) and the Tundra's ride was better on freeways (much less porpoising). The Ford got 15 MPG in situations where the Tundra got 12 MPG - steady towing cruising. The class C gets 10 MPG in these conditions.

Most of what I was getting at was strong endorsement of the Tundra.
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Old 11-24-2012, 04:17 PM   #28
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I have a 2010 Toyota Crew Max 4x4 I uesd it to haul a 86 Excella 32 foot and I now
haul our 2003 Classic. This fall, I got 12.5 miles to a Gallon hauling around Maine, New Hamshire and Vermont. We put almost 4000 miles on out Toyota.
I have had no problems hauling either Airstream and will still use this truck when I get a 34 foot for full timing (after I retire).
The truck has a tow haul buton that tells the computer that you are moving something and the computer does what it is programed to do. It starts and stops almost as if there wasn't a 8700 lb trailer hitched on.
So-- if you want a good daily driver and a great work horse, you can't go wrong with the Toyota --- ( they are made in Texas)
Good luch whichever way you go.
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