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Old 12-23-2013, 01:36 PM   #15
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Red face My mistake....

....both systems must sense sway before mitigation begins.

IMHO...better to not have it from the git-go.

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Old 12-23-2013, 03:11 PM   #16
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....both systems must sense sway before mitigation begins.

IMHO...better to not have it from the git-go.
Well, yeah... I don't think anyone is looking to increase their potential for sway.
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Old 12-23-2013, 03:22 PM   #17
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Well, yeah... I don't think anyone is looking to increase their potential for sway.
He might be arguing for a mechanical non-sway solution, e.g., virtual pivot point projection hitches such as HaHa or PPP.

Or maybe both - belts and suspenders...?
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Old 12-23-2013, 05:50 PM   #18
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The point of the video was to test the Tuson sway control against the Ford sway control system - they found the Tuson was better, or at least that's what I took away from it.
That's what I took away from it also.

IMO, it always will be better to sense the accelerations of the trailer directly -- which is what the Tuson and AL-Ko systems do.

A TV-mounted system must sense the accelerations of the TV and use that information to predict what the trailer is doing. This is an indirect approach which, IMO, cannot work as effectively as the trailer-mounted system.

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Old 12-23-2013, 05:55 PM   #19
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You can use a Hensley/ProPride style hitch and have no sway to control.
Marketing language aside, "eliminate" vrs "control", I thought that was the point.

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Old 12-23-2013, 06:05 PM   #20
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....both systems must sense sway before mitigation begins.
Both systems must sense some amount of lateral and/or yaw-axis acceleration before mitigation begins.

I'm guessing that both systems are sensitive enough and fast enough to react to and mitigate the accelerations before they reach a level at which most people would consider "sway" to be happening.

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Old 12-26-2013, 07:29 AM   #21
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He might be arguing for a mechanical non-sway solution, e.g., virtual pivot point projection hitches such as HaHa or PPP.

Or maybe both - belts and suspenders...?
Exactly - it's not an either/or solution. You can have both.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:07 AM   #22
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I found the Tuson video to be very interesting as well. The only hurdle I see during installation is to separate the brake circuit into a left and right circuit (on an AS). The unit from down under does not mention separating one side from the other. With todays inertia sensors the repeated lateral movement which indicates an increase in intensity would be detected early on. The applying of brakes to the most appropriate side will have much more impact to the sway that unilaterally applied braking which can be done yourself with the lever on the dash mounted brake control. Tell them to send me one! To wrap up, I see this as a replacement to mechanical sway bars. I am referring to the type where the sway bar is a separate device from WD equipment.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:09 PM   #23
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Any update on this? Andy did you ever get one to test? The website doesn't offer them for sale, though apparently you can sign up to be an installer...
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:34 PM   #24
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Any update on this? Andy did you ever get one to test? The website doesn't offer them for sale, though apparently you can sign up to be an installer...
Back in 1971, I met the designer of the Safe-T-Tow sway control.

I installed it on my Buick. Pulling a loaded 31 foot Airstream, while it never posed a problem, became much much safer to tow.

I demonstrated it at many rallies, and just about everyone who saw the demonstrations, want one installed.

Unfortunately, the designer passed away in the early 70's, and his son was not really interested in staying with that product.

I have reviewed it's design, with a couple of changes with a patent attorney. He assured me that a new patent could be granted.

Things being things over time, I just let that device slowly get to the back of my long term projects.

The design is very simple, rugged, and can be once again, on the market. I am not sure that at this point and time in my life, I really want to provide that product.

I have a complete working model, that I certainly cherish, as part of my various exposures of many different things for the RV industry.

Separating the brakes from each side of the trailer, is not necessary.

As a test for others, with me in the passenger seat, the following instructions were given.

Pull the trailer at 60 mph. Place your hand near the brake controller. When I say NOW, completely change lanes as fast as you can. We all that a rapid change of lanes will certainly cause a sway.

When you do that, apply the trailer brakes by activating the controller.

SURPRISE. The sway control that was added to that tow vehicle, always beat the driver by applying the brakes before the driver could.

Maybe the person that buys out Inland RV Center, would be interested in bringing that product to the market.

Other electro-mechanical sway control devices have been on the market, but none of them lasted very long.

Certainly, there is a huge market for such a device in todays RV industry.

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Tuscon is the parent company for all three products. DirecLink, Actilink with or without ABS and the sway control.
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Old 07-25-2014, 07:12 PM   #26
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Most owners don't know much about trailer brakes and if they are working or not. Most folks don't know how to tell if they are working. I would not be surprised if 50% of the members here have all 4 wheels working properly.

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If a trailer has faulty brakes, the operator will have more immediate and profound problems than a lack of sway control.

In any case, it seems to me that this type of concern applies to any type of equipment. For instance, if a control rod on a Hensely is broken, it would cause problems with sway control and even create a few on its own, ie, the routine bump could become an outright shove right off a downhill curve.
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Well i have a 2013 25fb & I just added the tuson / dexter sway control the install went very well. It has a led trouble light that I installed on the front of the trailer. after talking to the engineer this should prevent any sway before i would detect it to add a margin of safety.
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Old 08-24-2014, 02:32 PM   #28
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We have the electronic sway controls in stock now and have the race track booked for September to do some more testing.
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