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Old 03-22-2016, 06:56 PM   #99
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Hi, as I stated before, when I was looking for a new F-150 there was a Limited or Platinum on the show room floor that had a payload of 1,065 lbs. My Safari has a tongue weight of 900 lbs so that would not even leave enough payload for me as the driver yet alone anyone or anything else. In my searches I have come up with a 2016 Ram Laramie crew cab Ecodiesel with 3:92 gears having 1,000 to 1,100 lbs payload. This would not work for me, with the trailer that I own.


My F-150 has a payload of 1,745 lbs. After my 900 lb tongue weight is deducted I have 845 lbs for two people, one little dog, and stuff in the bed of my truck.
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Hi, as I stated before, when I was looking for a new F-150 there was a Limited or Platinum on the show room floor that had a payload of 1,065 lbs. My Safari has a tongue weight of 900 lbs so that would not even leave enough payload for me as the driver yet alone anyone or anything else. In my searches I have come up with a 2016 Ram Laramie crew cab Ecodiesel with 3:92 gears having 1,000 to 1,100 lbs payload. This would not work for me, with the trailer that I own.


My F-150 has a payload of 1,745 lbs. After my 900 lb tongue weight is deducted I have 845 lbs for two people, one little dog, and stuff in the bed of my truck.
Should that be one person? I thought Ford used to give you credit for the driver (and a full tank of gas) when they listed payload. Have they changed?
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Should that be one person? I thought Ford used to give you credit for the driver (and a full tank of gas) when they listed payload. Have they changed?
Hi, Ford does include a full tank of gas, 36 gallons in my case. But the 150 lb driver is included in the tow capacity, not the payload. [at least that's the way I read it]
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Hi, as I stated before, when I was looking for a new F-150 there was a Limited or Platinum on the show room floor that had a payload of 1,065 lbs. My Safari has a tongue weight of 900 lbs so that would not even leave enough payload for me as the driver yet alone anyone or anything else. In my searches I have come up with a 2016 Ram Laramie crew cab Ecodiesel with 3:92 gears having 1,000 to 1,100 lbs payload. This would not work for me, with the trailer that I own.


My F-150 has a payload of 1,745 lbs. After my 900 lb tongue weight is deducted I have 845 lbs for two people, one little dog, and stuff in the bed of my truck.
So wait, the Ram Laramie had the same payload as the F150 Platinum about. Both are top level trims, all options.

What is your current trim level on your F150?

I think everyone on this forum agrees, the more options you want the lesser the payload. (could be worded better.)

The most basic of work trucks will always have the greatest payload.
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Hi, Ford does include a full tank of gas, 36 gallons in my case. But the 150 lb driver is included in the tow capacity, not the payload. [at least that's the way I read it]
Really, Where did you read that? Not questioning you at all, just would like to know that for professional reasons. GM includes the driver, and full fluids in payload calculations.
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Apparently, the driver weight is only considered in GCVWR number, not in payload.

From F150's online manual (Pages 238-239):

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Fo...US_09_2014.pdf

"Steps for determining the correct load limit:
1. Locate the statement "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXX kg or XXX lb." on your vehicle’s placard.
2. Determine the combined weight of the driver and passengers that will be riding in your vehicle.
3. Subtract the combined weight of the driver and passengers from XXX kg or XXX lb."
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Not very many 150 pound drivers out there so the payload numbers are truly misleading when looking for every ounce of payload.

They need to leave the driver weight out of the empty weight discussion and state a full fuel tank is included in the base weight along with the engine oil and air in the tires. Also they need to state whether the base weight has a spare tire and if it does, is it full sized or a useless donut?
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I thought this was suppose to be resolved with the new standards? Or is Ford still doing that thing where they don't include the bumpers and spare tire as part of the payload?
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After looking into the verbiage, I believe the manufacturers are trying to take the confusion out of the traditional definition of "payload". Ford calls the limit "load limit" and it looks to me like that EVERYTHING which goes into the vehicle (except fuel) needs to part of the "load".

Chevy calls it "vehicle capacity weight limit", and it also includes driver and occupants.

I suspect they are trying to account for ACTUAL weight of occupants, since the 150# traditional payload calculation is invalid in fat America.
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I thought this was suppose to be resolved with the new standards? Or is Ford still doing that thing where they don't include the bumpers and spare tire as part of the payload?
J2807? It has nothing to do with vehicle load limits.
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Apparently, the driver weight is only considered in GCVWR number, not in payload.

From F150's online manual (Pages 238-239):

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Fo...US_09_2014.pdf

"Steps for determining the correct load limit:
1. Locate the statement "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXX kg or XXX lb." on your vehicle’s placard.
2. Determine the combined weight of the driver and passengers that will be riding in your vehicle.
3. Subtract the combined weight of the driver and passengers from XXX kg or XXX lb."
That would be if you calculate your usable payload from the GVWR and the curb weight of the vehicle.

But if you look a the published charts for payload, on the F150 brochure, it says:

"Maximum capabilities shown are for properly equipped vehicles with required equipment and a 150 lb (68 kg) driver. Additional options....."

Seems pretty clear.
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Yes, that is a GOOD thing.

As far as the opinions and, even the facts, it often comes down to what a person prefers. One truck may have a better spec in an area but the seat is more comfortable, etc. I do enjoy the information though not everyone agrees. That is the nature of discussion.
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[QUOTE=BoldAdventure;1766251]So wait, the Ram Laramie had the same payload as the F150 Platinum about. Both are top level trims, all options.

(1.) What is your current trim level on your F150?

I think everyone on this forum agrees, the more options you want the lesser the payload. (could be worded better.)

(2.) The most basic of work trucks will always have the greatest payload.[/QUOTE]


Hi, Bold;

(1.) I purposely chose the XLT as the model with the most bang for the buck, so to speak. My Lincoln has most of the toys that I didn't want or need in a tow vehicle. I hate moon roofs and didn't want leather seats this time. I'm not disabled so I can slide and fold my mirrors by hand. Are the fancier trucks nice? Yes. My XLT has all that I need /want, and more. I bought my truck mainly for towing. The five passenger Platinum could easily be maxed out, payload wise, with five passengers and a completely empty bed.

(2.) The most basic of trucks would have the smallest and least powerful engine so they will not "always have the greatest payload."
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