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Old 03-19-2016, 07:09 PM   #43
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The modern diesels are also very quiet.
Just being silly-


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Modern gas engines have way more torque than any diesel.
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Modern gas engines have way more torque than any diesel.
Not of camparable displacements.
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Old 03-19-2016, 08:19 PM   #46
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Modern gas engines have way more torque than any diesel.
They do? You better do some research.....
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Old 03-19-2016, 10:32 PM   #47
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Hmm...
I thought the point of Diesel engines was higher torque...


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Old 03-20-2016, 01:27 AM   #48
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Hey guys, they're all good trucks and a lot of good points here, but you gas guys need to understand us diesel heads are willing to pay the premium price just for the sound & great mileage.
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...and we don't like the sound or smell...


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Hi, We don't like the Diesel smell or the sound of marbles in a trash can. All of the proud Ecoboost owners posted their payloads, but the Ram people are politically dancing around their sub 1,000 lb payload numbers.
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Hi, We don't like the Diesel smell or the sound of marbles in a trash can. All of the proud Ecoboost owners posted their payloads, but the Ram people are politically dancing around their sub 1,000 lb payload numbers.
All the more reason to ditch both the Ram and the Ford and get the best of both worlds with more payload ,towing and mileage with the Gm twins and the 6.2 max tow.


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Old 03-20-2016, 07:35 AM   #51
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Got silly several posts back-
To the OP I still say get which of the 2 you can getter a better price/lower interest rate on.


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...or get a Tundra...


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One gets what they pay for. The "if it fits, it goes" crowd need lots of load capacity. The other extreme are folks that can camp two weeks on one pair of underwear so a light weight vehicle works for them.

Doing lots of research on the real world numbers of proposed tow vehicles as well as an honest self appraisal of all the "stuff" needed to be carried along with the possibility of a bad case of two footitis two years down the road are just some of the factors to be considered before signing any purchase order.

There are lots of posts in this forum of the disappointment associated with getting an undersized tow vehicle and then having to make an expensive trade-in change in the first year of ownership of a tow vehicle

Within reason, some over capacity is better than being undersized.

For us, the 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins is the perfect marriage for our 2014 31' Classic that weighs 9,200 pounds camping ready with full water and propane tanks. The 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI is the smallest tow vehicle we could use for our 23D and we are close to the axle limits when we have our stuff both in the car and the trailer fully loaded.

We have different expectations for the two applications.
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Hi, We don't like the Diesel smell or the sound of marbles in a trash can. All of the proud Ecoboost owners posted their payloads, but the Ram people are politically dancing around their sub 1,000 lb payload numbers.
Here are my stickers.

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One gets what they pay for. The "if it fits, it goes" crowd need lots of load capacity. The other extreme are folks that can camp two weeks on one pair of underwear so a light weight vehicle works for them.

Doing lots of research on the real world numbers of proposed tow vehicles as well as an honest self appraisal of all the "stuff" needed to be carried along with the possibility of a bad case of two footitis two years down the road are just some of the factors to be considered before signing any purchase order.

There are lots of posts in this forum of the disappointment associated with getting an undersized tow vehicle and then having to make an expensive trade-in change in the first year of ownership of a tow vehicle

Within reason, some over capacity is better than being undersized.

For us, the 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins is the perfect marriage for our 2014 31' Classic that weighs 9,200 pounds camping ready with full water and propane tanks. The 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI is the smallest tow vehicle we could use for our 23D and we are close to the axle limits when we have our stuff both in the car and the trailer fully loaded.

We have different expectations for the two applications.

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. . . There are lots of posts in this forum of the disappointment associated with getting an undersized tow vehicle and then having to make an expensive trade-in change in the first year of ownership of a tow vehicle
Take our 2012 Ram 1500 Hemi for example. Four years, 50K miles, never a single repair, never short of power or braking, never short of load capacity for six months travel throughout the country, rock solid on the roadways when properly set up with a quality w.d hitch, within $4500 from new purchase price allowed on trade-in with full discounts, incentives and 0% interest on a new one.

What a disappointment.

So much so we got another one; we took our new Ram 1500 Ecodiesel for a long drive yesterday, highway and heavy city traffic, 31 mpg. In the 1200 miles since recent purchase the new disappointment has averaged 28 mpg overall.

Within the week, we'll hitch up our FC 25' and head out for another 3,000 miles about the country. We're looking forward to it.
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