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Old 03-18-2016, 10:37 AM   #15
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So the tongue weight is loaded onto the truck and considered part of it's payload?
The yellow sticker on the door of my current tow vehicle says 1150lbs!! It is a 2010 F1504x4 Lariat 5.5ft box with a 5.4L.

Was I overloaded for this tow vehicle?

It is unfortunate that some salespeople don't fully grasp the towing concept. How does anyone pull a big Airstream with a van or car??
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:42 AM   #16
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Yes, tongue weight gets transferred to the truck as the tongue presses down on the hitch.

Can of worms when you ask that question on this forum.

For myself, I am concerned with not overloading the axles and tires. Anyone who understands suspension components and tires can understand how you can alter vehicle payload to a degree. My Powerwagon for example is the same as regular Ram 2500, but it gets different tires that can carry less weight and springs that are softer and thus bring down the payload. But it technically has a larger axle. The weak points are factors in how the engineers determine payloads. Ram for example is now using 5 link & coils out back and not leaf springs. I try not to get off into the weeds on this point around here.

But overloading axles and tires is generally bad.

After several trips across the scales with our 1500, we got our Airstream and truck balanced to all be within the ratings of axles and tires while not being overloaded. Just took some time getting the WD hitch dialed in. And loading things properly.

All that said, we did travel lite in the 1500 on purpose.

I'm sure someone will tell us about imaginary legal precedent now.
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:50 AM   #17
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Seems like either truck will do well.
Which one can you get a better deal on?
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:05 PM   #18
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I think I have a better understanding of everything to do with payload etc., I do think either truck would do the job. I really 'like the features of the F150 in a Lariat with all the back up cameras etc. But that EcoBoost condensation problem is making me hesitant. Dodge 1500 Laramie is really sweet, but back up camera is limited compared to what Ford's can do.

Does anyone know if Ford has actually fixed the 3.5L EcoBoost problem for current 2016 model?, or are they handing it over to the dealers to take care of it when something happens.

Breaking down on side of the road with trailer, family and dogs no fun...been there ��
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:13 PM   #19
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I'd choose engine over camera.
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:15 PM   #20
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There is no comparison, watch the adds! RAM no question case closed!
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:32 PM   #21
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No experience with either, so just a comment. Folks like the Ford and the Ram is a viable alternative. I like that Ram started talking about variable drive height. Seems like kind of a given for a tow vehicle, but lowered trucks just get no respect. My suggestion would be to decide if you want diesel or gas as a fuel first. If you choose the gas, then consider the turning radius issue one more time before you make the final choice. Travel safe. Pat
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:38 PM   #22
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I will once again look over the specs of Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 Crew Cab with the Hemi. Most of the time this is a driving vehicle... towing total 6 weeks moving around and stationary.

Might price out less than the F150... and no engine problems ��
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I think I have a better understanding of everything to do with payload etc., I do think either truck would do the job. I really 'like the features of the F150 in a Lariat with all the back up cameras etc. But that EcoBoost condensation problem is making me hesitant. Dodge 1500 Laramie is really sweet, but back up camera is limited compared to what Ford's can do.

Does anyone know if Ford has actually fixed the 3.5L EcoBoost problem for current 2016 model?, or are they handing it over to the dealers to take care of it when something happens.

Breaking down on side of the road with trailer, family and dogs no fun...been there ��
I think the condensation issue has largely been resolved.
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Old 03-18-2016, 06:04 PM   #24
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Ram by a long shot.....
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Old 03-19-2016, 01:32 AM   #26
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Hi, both trucks will pull your trailer. If want the best fuel mileage buy the Ram. If you want the necessary payload buy a Ford.
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Old 03-19-2016, 09:58 AM   #27
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When I was playing with the Ford "build your own truck" website for the F150 a few years back, I discovered that getting all the whiz-bang glitz ate up 500 pounds of payload which made the load capacity too low for our existing 25FB rig. The bare bones, long wheel base, and two wheel drive had the greatest payload.

We went with a 2012 Big Horn trim Ram 2500HD Cummins 4x4 short bed as it had the load capacity for the 2013 25FB that later morphed into the 2014 31' Classic.

I suggest that one not acquire a "just fits" payload tow vehicle on their first trailer as historically there is a bad case of "two foot longeritis" that sets in for many folks within the first two years or so.

Going from a 25FB (7,300 pound GVW) to a 27FB (7,600 pound GVW) is only a 300 pound increase in the GVW of the trailers and an existing tow vehicle could probably work. But jumping from a 25FB to a 31' FC or International (8,800 pound GVW) is a 1,500 pound increase in GVW and there would be a 2,700 pounds increase for a Classic with a 10,000 pound GVW.

Note that while the GVW increases might not be too significant, the factory published tongue weights have been historically really understated and some smaller models have a higher tongue weight than the 31' Classics.

Lots of significant decision making based upon some solid research is required before the first check is ever written.
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2014 1500 3.92 gears with 2015 flying cloud no problem let's race
2013 classic with old 2007 dodge 6.7 and 6 speed auto , with 100000 miles, bring it on, maybe up La Cresta grade....
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