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Old 04-10-2016, 11:46 AM   #15
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I've a 2014 Sport 16 and tow with a Ram 1500 ecodiesel. I use a Reese wd hitch and antisway bar. Don't know what it tows like without, maybe ok, but it tows so nice with the setup that there's no reason to experiment. Makes things solid and don't care to see what would happen in a real mixup without. I do have a friend that tows his 16' with a Jeep Cherokee with no WD setup and he drives way faster than I do and claims no issues. I think I like the margin of safety myself. Lots of posts about towing seem to be folks that want to tow without much of safety buffer. Doesn't make much sense to me!
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:58 AM   #16
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Ok, I know this can be a touchy subject but I thought I would throw this one out there and see what discussion develops.

Before we start, a little about me. I'm not new to towing with quite a bit of towing experience (decades + 1000's of miles) with utility and travel trailers with and without WD. I'm a mechanical engineer with some professional experience testing military trailers.

I have a 2013 T-reg TDI (5000 lbs empty) towing an Airstream 16 foot Sport. The trailer is 2860 lbs dry, 3500 lb GTW and 350 lb dry tongue weight. I towed last year without any WD hitch without problems. Yes, the T-reg squats in the back a bit but the handling seems very acceptable, even in cross-winds that I've encountered during high cross-wind warnings. I keep the T-reg as empty of gear in the back as possible (maybe 150-200 lbs max). I'm surprised how stable this combination is when being passed or passing tractor-trailer and other much larger RV's.

I have an old Reese Strait-Line from our 1963 Airstream but it has 750 lb bars and I feel it's much too stiff for the new Airstream. Here are photos with the Reese installed.





Comparing our new setup (T-reg/16' Airstream) to our old setup (2010 Explorer/19' Airstream) The T-reg handles better without WD than the Explorer did with WD. The trailers are about the same weight and not too much different in length so I believe the primary difference is the tow vehicle (low profile tires, better suspension, shorter rear overhang, etc).

As I see it the trailer is short, the T-reg is stable - do I really need a WD hitch and/or sway control?

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Towed a 17ft.Casita with gmc1500 from Dallas to fairbanks with factory installed sway control and absolutely no sway or wind problems at all. In fact no problems whatsoever. Hardly knew the darn thing was behind me. Really don't think the sway bar was needed but I was new to tt world and took their advise. Loved the Casita but my a/s more betterer!
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:27 PM   #17
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I'd go with lighter bars for sure like some others suggested. I definitely would also suggest sway control. Even if your trailer exhibits no sway tendency, situations can pop up that can create conditions that could induce sway. I have a friend who lost their trailer due to a fast passing truck passing her on a down hill stretch of interstate. The truck was entering the interstate, she pulled to the left lane to give him room to enter. He came close to her right side and the single axle SOB went into a sway. She was pulling with a Suburban but all the conditions were perfect to induce the sway.

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Old 04-10-2016, 12:56 PM   #18
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You might want to check with VW, some of the WD bars can cause problems with some of the Touaregs, I use an ezlift hitch with just an anti-sway bar for about 6,000 miles and so far I am real happy pulling my 25' souveriegn, most of those miles going from Texas to Seattle and back.
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:42 PM   #19
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I towed a 5K lbs boat with a Range Rover HSE for three years without any consideration for a WD/sway hitch never had a problem. When we got the 7K lbs AS last year there was no question that we would have a WD/sway hitch. If your rig is within manufacture's recommendations and the steering doesn't feel light, then you are the best judge of what you need.
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Old 04-10-2016, 02:17 PM   #20
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My 2 cents.

You may not need weight distribution, but sway control is never a "bad thing".

I have a co-worker who bought a darling vintage Scottie. We were discussing hitches, etc.

I mentioned that in the case of an accident, if you do have the sway control, then "the other guy" (who may be looking for a payday$) can't say that there was a way for you to have avoided the accident, but you weren't using the best safety setup.

Sometimes CYA insurance is a good thing too.
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:07 PM   #21
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TV weight vs trailer

I have a 2013 4Runner towing a Sport 16 - WD is all about the weight of the two vehicle vs the trailer. If the TV weighs more or a lot more, then you don't really need a wd hitch. I've towed 5,000 miles over the last 6 months on mountain roads and in desert sand storms in the desert. Never had a problem or felt I was losing control.
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No! Use a hitch design that provides a soft connection while providing sway control without the use of heavy weight spring bars.

You have enough experience to know that you can tow on the ball if you are reasonably conservative. However, a light application of weight distribution can balance the rig and provide stability if a wheel drops off the pavement, you swerve to miss a large chunk of tire tread, or the rig gets hit by a massive gust of wind.

Whatever you decide maintain an attentive focus on driving and be conservative. Enjoy the smiles. Pat
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You are more qualified than I am based on your quick bio but...
We went in the other direction with our Bambi.
Started with an Equalizer and ultimately switched to a Hensley Cub.
The difference in the way the trailer tows is remarkable! We tow about 10,000 miles a year and I love the ppp hitch. The other advantage is the ability to dial in weight distribution with the jacks... It's not all or nothing, just the amount you need.
I've always wondered if the smaller Airstreams were in fact less stable towing than their longer siblings...that certainly seems to be the case when backing up!

Towing with the Hensley is simply far more relaxing than towing with the Equalizer no matter how I adjusted things on that hitch.

Can't say I'd want to tow without sway control or weight distribution...

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Matt -

Another very satisfied Hensley Cub owner here with a shortish `60 Avion T20 (OA 20'-6" not counting the Cub) singe axle & agree with the above.

We got the Cub because the T20 was an "E-ticket ride" when towing with rental comparable sized 2012 Nissan Pathfinder - especially over 55 mph!!

We were planning to eventually get your Treg's cousin Cayenne S V8, so the Cub at about $1500 in 2013 was well worth the investment, although for WD & Anti-Sway the EZ-Lift, etc. were recco'd as adequate. I like the zero sway, ease of leaving the hed & bars on the trailer when parked, ease of the winder jacks over chains to tension the spring bars, lifetime warranty, etc. of the Cub.

You could probably get lighter bars for your Reese & be fine, or get the Cub ("Baby Arrow") or any other new WD/AS hitch.

You might find this "Porsche Cayenne, VW Touareg, Audi Q7 owners" thread helpful too as a Treg owner, if you've not been on it yet, since you'll get TV specific answers there from fellow owners.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...rs-134917.html

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