Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-07-2015, 08:59 AM   #1
2 Rivet Member
 
2011 23' FB Flying Cloud
Boca Raton , Florida
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 22
towing debate

There is literally a ton of information on this forum about tow vehicles, hitch configurations, anti-sway, traction control, weight distribution etc., etc.
I have a 2008 Tundra SR5, TRD, 4X4 with the factory tow package and Firestone air bags; 5.7 ltr. We previously towed a 25 foot fifth wheel from 2008 to 2014. No issues with the exception of the trailer falling apart bit by bit from day one. Bought a Flying Cloud 23 FB in July. Hooked it up to the factory hitch and ball and hit the road. From south Florida to north Vermont up I-95 through the Bronx back through western PA into the applications and back to Florida twice... no issues at all. We keep it a 65 MPH and make sure the trailer is rolling level with the truck by keeping the air pressure in the bags on the money. We have driven in heavy traffic, mountain twisties, back roads and dirt roads. I don't get all of the "experts" insisting that every rig must have a weight distribution system with anti sway etc. even when the TV is adequate or more?
Last, I'm get blown away when folks brag about cruising at 70 -75 MPH plus! Doesn't anyone look at the speed rating on their tires???
__________________

__________________
bobgoldstein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 09:03 AM   #2
CRH
Rivet Master
 
1995 25' Excella
xxxxx , xxxxxx
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,246
Where's the debate?
__________________

__________________
CRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 09:11 AM   #3
Rivet Master
 
Al and Missy's Avatar

 
2002 30' Classic S/O
Melbourne Beach , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,319
Many are towing with Tundras. They seem to be quite capable. However, have you weighed your setup to ensure that you have adequate weight on the steer axle and are within the limits of your drive axle? While an air bag suspension will level the system, it does not affect weight transfer. If you have substantially less weight on your front end than when unhitched, your combination is less safe, and that weight is now being carried by your rear axle potentially exceeding its ratings. I can't speak to the specifics of your setup with a 23, you may be fine. With my 25, I was not.

Regarding speed, you have assumed that everyone has the same tires as you. My 16" Michelins are rated to 106mph.

Al
__________________

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they have not been reasoned into"

Al, K5TAN and Missy, N4RGO
2002 Classic 30 Slideout
S/OS #004
2013 Dodge 2500 Laramie 4x4 Megacab Cummins
2001 Safari 25 RB Twin (Gone, but not forgotten)
WBCCI 1322, TAC FL-39, AIR 82265

Al and Missy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 09:16 AM   #4
Rivet Master
 
KJRitchie's Avatar

 
2008 25' Classic
Wichita Falls , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,217
The 23fb has one of the lightest published tongue weights. I used to tow with a 2010 Tundra 2x4 but my Classic 25fb has 1150lb of tongue weight so I had to have a WDH. The hitch also provides sway control (Equalizer).

Kelvin
__________________
2008 Classic 25fb "Silver Mistress"
2015 Ram 2500 6.7L Cummins. Crew Cab, 4x4, Silver
KJRitchie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 09:24 AM   #5
Rivet Master
 
aftermath's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Spokane , Washington
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,133
Kelvin just made a spot on comment. I too tow my 25FB with a Tundra but I don't have air bags. I need the WD hitch. With the air bags you might want to get things weighed as suggested but if you have been towing successfully, maybe it is not needed.

I am with you regarding the speed. Even if I had tires that could do over 100 mph I don't think that is what you should do. I try to keep my setup at or under 65. I just feel better at that speed.
__________________
aftermath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 09:32 AM   #6
Rivet Master
 
Al and Missy's Avatar

 
2002 30' Classic S/O
Melbourne Beach , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,319
Quote:
Originally Posted by aftermath View Post
...

I am with you regarding the speed. Even if I had tires that could do over 100 mph I don't think that is what you should do. I try to keep my setup at or under 65. I just feel better at that speed.
With my F-150, I always drove 55-60. It felt better and got better fuel mileage. With the Ram 2500 I'll drive 70 when weather and traffic conditions are right. Fuel economy not affected much and it feels better at 70 than my F-150 did at 60. Someone told me the other day they had decided not to use their WD hitch when they traded up to a 3/4T TV, and that "...it towed great at 85." I can't see driving the TV alone at 85, much less towing. I'd rather be driving tires that are rated for 106 at 70 than tires that are rated for 65 at 65. It's an engineering/margin thing.....

Al
__________________

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they have not been reasoned into"

Al, K5TAN and Missy, N4RGO
2002 Classic 30 Slideout
S/OS #004
2013 Dodge 2500 Laramie 4x4 Megacab Cummins
2001 Safari 25 RB Twin (Gone, but not forgotten)
WBCCI 1322, TAC FL-39, AIR 82265

Al and Missy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 10:10 AM   #7
2 Rivet Member
 
penticton , British Columbia
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 59
Blog Entries: 1
perhaps the day you will need to make a violent lane change for some uncontrollable situation..... you might be happy to have the WD and sway bars.

Those pick up truck give a false sense of security. They are big and heavy but not the greatest doing emergency maneuver.

It come down to personal choice, i want as much safety on my towing rig so happy to have the WD and sway bar on F150 towing a very lightweight 1974 argosy 24.
__________________
jonnyo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 10:14 AM   #8
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,044
Images: 11
Not all trailers are the same either.

Mine is mostly stable at 60 mph on the ball, at 65 it starts getting squirmy.

There are differences in configuration and loading that can make big differences.

Beyond this, there are hitch systems that greatly add to the joy in driving while trailering.


Brevi tempore!
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 10:17 AM   #9
Rivet Master
 
AnnArborBob's Avatar
 
2014 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Chelsea , Michigan
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,764
Images: 12
If you have a sufficiently sized vehicle and drive at a safe speed, most of the time while towing weight distributing/anti sway hitches do very little to help with the towing experience until that one moment when something untoward happens. Then you will understand why you need that particular piece of equipment. I know several people who "free-ball" and are proud of it. I just hope that they never find out that they are wrong. Oddly enough, those people would never consider sleeping in their rigs without a fire extinguisher. Go figure.
__________________
Bob Martel
WBCCI# 5766
AnnArborBob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2015, 10:36 AM   #10
Rivet Master
 
switz's Avatar

 
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction , Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,799
Images: 8
The hotshots that deliver the Airstreams usually drive a one ton dually and use just the ball. They do not let any grass grow under their tires so are driving at the maximum posted speed limits.

I knew the time when our Classic left the Jackson Center area and when it arrived in Phoenix. Allowing for the required non- driving time, he was just booking it down the road, the heck with the 65 mph GYM ST tire speed rating.

I towed the new empty Classic the ten miles from the dealership to the storage unit on city streets at 45 mph using just a ball as the ProPride had not yet arrived. It was squirrelly. That feeling does not happen with the ProPride installed.

YMMV
__________________

__________________
WBCCI Life Member 5123, AIR 70341, 4CU, WD9EMC

TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell

2014 31' Classic model 30 twin beds, 50 amp service, 900 watt solar system, Centramatics, Dill TPMS, disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
switz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Great Toilet Paper Debate moosetags Sinks, Showers & Toilets 26 02-19-2008 09:59 AM
Heard the Motorhome Debate on Episode 45 of the VAP? wheel interested WBCCI Forum 4 06-04-2007 04:31 PM
The Great Frame Debate Becky B. Repairing/Replacing Floor &/or Frame 20 05-01-2007 08:44 PM
lets debate at eight! john hd Off Topic Forum 20 10-26-2004 06:45 PM
The Great Towing Debate Continues... Chuck Towing, Tow Vehicles & Hitches 9 04-30-2004 02:20 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.