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Old 07-11-2016, 10:17 AM   #71
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For your items 1 to 4, it would be silly to expect such things. But your error is in thinking that those factors are somehow limiting for a specific vehicle. They may not be. Consider a heavy pickup truck with a 10,000 lb tow rating. Install a 3500 lb receiver on it. Your combination is now rated to tow 3500 lbs. But what about your transmission cooler, your engine torque, your large brakes? Irrelevant to the 3500 lb rating. Now consider that the 3.5 Ecoboost can tow 10,000 lbs in many trucks. Install that same power train in a sedan with 1000 lbs less curb weight. Why would engine power then be a tow limitation?

As to your item 5, "road hugging weight" is a joke as much as it was when it was an advertising slogan in the 1960s. Spend the time setting up the combination. If you are relying on TV weight to compensate for improper setup, the battle is already lost.
I agree that its silly to expect items 1 to 4 for receiver reinforcement and WDH setup -- That was exactly my point. A Chrysler 300 with receiver reinforced is still a Chrysler 300 with 1000# tow rating as nothing regarding pulling/stopping power, transmission, cooling system has been addressed.

As for weight, there is a technical article regarding TV stability and one of the most important factors in stability of bumper pull rigs is the relative weight of TV and trailer. Sorry could not find the link.

I think we are getting into another cycle so I'm going to stop.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:13 AM   #72
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:33 AM   #73
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Well, My FC19 is using a Chevy Traverse for a TV. I learned from Bigbear it is not enough. So I have been shopping for a TV with around 10k TC. The wife is leaning towards F150/F250. Now, the argument becomes, whose money is gonna buy it? Mine or hers? I prefer to spend my money on the 2nd Amendment, while she prefers a purses.

I believe a TV with tow as part of the design is the way to go.
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Old 07-12-2016, 02:31 AM   #75
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Well, My FC19 is using a Chevy Traverse for a TV. I learned from Bigbear it is not enough. So I have been shopping for a TV with around 10k TC. The wife is leaning towards F150/F250. Now, the argument becomes, whose money is gonna buy it? Mine or hers? I prefer to spend my money on the 2nd Amendment, while she prefers a purses.



I believe a TV with tow as part of the design is the way to go.

Here's my suggested answers:

F150/F250...... F250, of course
His/Hers...... 1/2 and 1/2???
More 2nd Amendment
More purses

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Trucks were not designed to tow. They were design to move cargo.

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Isn't cargo moved on trailers? What is used to pull the trailers? Cars are designed to carry people, otherwise they wouldn't need to be modified to pull a trailer. Use what you want, your business.
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Old 07-12-2016, 03:37 PM   #78
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Semis were designed for towing. If you are using truck, SUV, minivan for towing, you are compromising different matters (payload, braking, power, handling, number of passengers on board, etc.) with each of them.

As an example, I can't stand the handling of a truck, which in my option is not safe even without a trailer behind. This a subjective opinion, so no need to start a war.
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We had a roofing supply trailer at about 12000 pounds towed with a dually diesel truck designed for that. Show me what else would tow thst trailer. If you can't use a truck, suv or minivan then what do you tow with? A properly set up crew cab truck with payload in the bed is the best vehicle for towing. That's my opinion.
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Actually some would say a semi is just a heavy duty pickup with the bed removed and a fifth wheel hitch installed. On a larger scale.
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I did find regulatory laws for Australia that specify capacities. They have to have ratings that match vehicle, hitch AND weight bars, and be within weight limits of the trailer being towed. Very specific. It ends up saying must comply with Australian standards. Interesting. I do not think things are spelled out well here but they may need to be considering all these tiny houses that are being built and towed around. Look out honey, a 2x4! Lawyers have to make a living too.
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Flat bed tow truck

Does anyone use a tow truck, with a flat bed, to haul a small car as well as to pull the Airstream? Not worried about gas mileage.
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I don't, but I sure wouldn't be afraid to if I had a race car and the money to go around the country.
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I did find regulatory laws for Australia that specify capacities. They have to have ratings that match vehicle, hitch AND weight bars, and be within weight limits of the trailer being towed. Very specific. It ends up saying must comply with Australian standards. Interesting. I do not think things are spelled out well here but they may need to be considering all these tiny houses that are being built and towed around. Look out honey, a 2x4! Lawyers have to make a living too.
I wonder is this approach would work in North America. The tow rating, as far as I can tell, is not really measurable. No manufacturer has ever published the methodology by which they arrive at their rating and without that, how could you prove that a tow rating was valid or not? It's different for a tire or axle rating, of course, because that's a simple measure of downward force on the component. The rating will be set to a point prior to failure and will have been tested and documented. I really don't think you can do that with a tow rating because there are so many variables.
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