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Old 09-14-2017, 01:45 PM   #1
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Towing 28' international serenity

Just bought a 28' International Serenity. Trying to get this thing balanced correctly for good driving.

The hitch weight dry on this is 891lbs. Already at 15% That is because bedroom is at the back and living room/kitchen at the front. But the water tank, black water tank, and gray water tank are in the middle and partly set toward the back of the wheels. I know that when those tanks are filled that tongue weight is going to go down. But I also know that this could cause trailer sway if the front is too light.

The last time we went out and I know I had quite a bit of hitch weight; probably more than I should have. But it drove great. No sway at all. And I had about 50% water tank full, and I had just dumped. When we left however and I had about 50% of the black and gray water tank full it didn't drive as well.

Anyone have any tricks out there to kind of get this balance right without having the tongue weight hit 1000lbs.

I just bought a tongue weight scale. Figured it was a good investment to make sure I have enough tongue weight when loaded and especially if I am carrying water and have black water and gray water.

But what I'm going to do is hook up the front like I want and then start experimenting with water in the tanks and have my wife walking in the area of the tanks to see what that does to tongue weight. Maybe put some water jugs around to see what happens.

Any insights or help would be appreciated.
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:49 PM   #2
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I doubt that you will have to ever deal with a light tongue weight problem with the '28. It would help if you would share the following:

What are you towing it with now?
What kind of hitch are you using?
Do you have any weight distributing of any kind?
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:06 PM   #3
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I doubt that you will have to ever deal with a light tongue weight problem with the '28. It would help if you would share the following:

What are you towing it with now?
What kind of hitch are you using?
Do you have any weight distributing of any kind?
Curious as well and want to follow the thread.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:25 PM   #4
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Towing with 2017 F150 Ecoboost. Has plenty of power and payload. Using Blue Ox WDH. Works great.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:03 PM   #5
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P.S. I have a max tow haul feature as well with the F150. With the 10speed transmission and the max tow haul I am around 2000rpms in 8th gear most of the time. Nice thing also is that when going down hills it downshifts. At 2500 rpms I have 472lbs of torque. If I was towing most of the year I'd have gotten the F250. But l use my truck for work (appraiser) and I need something that is less expensive run and depreciate. When I finally retire I'll go up in size because then more likely to travel more. Hopefully in about 3 years.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:10 PM   #6
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I've been pulling my 28 Serenity with my F250 - equalizer hitch - I'm new at this but have stopped at a CAT Scale every trip to check out my load and WD - it's a learning thing. So far great towing - no sway - I also keep my speed between 60 and 63.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:15 PM   #7
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I'm actually more concerned about going over weight than under weight. That's why I bought the tongue scale. I also only drive between 60 and 65. I try to stay off freeways where everyone is blowing by. The point of this is to enjoy yourself and relax and not feel stressed. So I take the scenic routes.
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:39 PM   #8
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Have you played with the number of links on the Blue Ox? Which bars do you have as well? We noticed the handling change dramatically on our trailer (30FC) with a change in how much water was in which tanks after camping and before dumping - to the point that I just purchased a different hitch to not have to dink around with it as much.

We have both sets of bars (1000 & 1500) and I just could not get it dialed where I liked it. The Blue Ox seems to get great reviews with a few somewhat lukewarm feelings as well.

Since you aren't changing the trailer or truck it's going to come down to playing with the hitch - not sure where your closest Cat scales are, but they may be all the way down here in the Green Bay area. Might be worth spending a day fiddling with it.
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Perhaps you're over-thinking this Daquenzer. I tow a 28' International and have never measured the tongue weight. I travel with empty tanks when I can and if I have anything really heavy in the trailer, it does go aft of the axles. However, I've done plenty of freeway driving, usually at around 60-65mph and never felt any sway, no matter how I've loaded.

2wiresdave said he thinks it's more about the hitch and I tend to agree. I'm using a basic EAZ-Lift with the 1000lb bars and it all seems to work for me; I'd start there if I were you.
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Maybe I am over thinking it. But the limit on the tongue weight is 1000lbs. The dry weight on the tongue is 891lbs. Most other AS are at least 100lbs less. That is a significant variance.

Also I have the WDH pretty well lined up now. On our last trip I increased the links on the Blue Ox and it rode very nicely.

So clearly the WDH hitch is where to start as you said.

My main concern is too much tongue weight that's all. I just wanted to know how to the weight distribution on the International affected that tongue weight and where to best put it.

But you are obviously more experienced at this than I am so will defer to your wisdom on the WDH.
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For any of you with the International 28, what is the weight of the hitch when ready for travel?

Thanks!
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28' Tngue Weight

Loaded for camping with full propane tanks, tongue wright is 940lbs in my 2008 28' International.

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For any of you with the International 28, what is the weight of the hitch when ready for travel?

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For any of you with the International 28, what is the weight of the hitch when ready for travel?

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I checked various weights when full timing several years ago. The hitch weight was 450 kg. (About 990 lbs.). Full propane and supplies for camping with minimal water and empty waste tanks. The rig handled perfectly - in this case going through the Rockies via Banff.
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:54 PM   #14
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Hi Daquenzer & welcome to the Borg.

There are two things that you can do to reduce tongue weight.

#1- Relocate batteries inside. This will require new batteries that are sealed i.e AGM or lithiums. Relocating the batteries inside will give you an immediate weight reduction.

Here's a link about moving the batteries.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f449/what-steps-are-needed-to-move-batteries-inside-162373.html


#2- Pack items towards the rear of the trailer. You won't see much of a difference but at least you won't be adding to the tongue.
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