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Old 09-23-2016, 09:17 PM   #1
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Talking Tow Vehicle Recommendation

Will be new to airstreaming next year. Retiring in March.Starting from scratch for everything.
My choice of AS will be a late model 25' FC.
Am looking at purchasing a new 2016 Ram 1500 eco diesel as TV. short bed.
It just fits in the garage.
Am looking for other options for TV as my wife does not like the idea of
getting a pickup. Looked at Jeep grand Cherokee but the folks at CAN-AM
said it is NOT one of their favorite choices for towing.
Mpg does matter to me as I have read that the ram can get 16-17 mpg
WHILE TOWING. 27-28 mpg as everyday driver, Would prefer diesel over gas. V-8 gas terrible on gas milage as everyday driver.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:19 PM   #2
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Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade platform. 8300 towing, 1600 payload.
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:38 PM   #3
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From all accounts I've seen the ecodiesel would be a good choice for that sized trailer. The only thing to look out for is the payload (the actual sticker in the door jam, not the advertised payload). if you get one all optioned out you might have issues there.

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Old 09-23-2016, 10:00 PM   #4
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Listen to what NorCal Matt just said. I tow a 25 FB with a tundra and it is a great mate for the trailer. But, the issue you need to pay attention is to the payload capacity, not so much the towing capacity. If you are overloaded when you put the trailer on the ball, none of the rest really matters.

I am very happy with the Tundra but it is a PU. If you want to get an SUV then look at the payload numbers.
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Will be new to airstreaming next year. Retiring in March.Starting from scratch for everything.
My choice of AS will be a late model 25' FC.
Am looking at purchasing a new 2016 Ram 1500 eco diesel as TV. short bed.
It just fits in the garage.
Am looking for other options for TV as my wife does not like the idea of
getting a pickup. Looked at Jeep grand Cherokee but the folks at CAN-AM
said it is NOT one of their favorite choices for towing.
Mpg does matter to me as I have read that the ram can get 16-17 mpg
WHILE TOWING. 27-28 mpg as everyday driver, Would prefer diesel over gas. V-8 gas terrible on gas milage as everyday driver.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
Welcome to the forum, by the way! Your first post!!

Please be sure to remember to post some photos of your TT and TV once you make your investment, OK? See you "dpwn the road"...
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:56 PM   #6
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My 2010 Tundra 2x4 Double Cab had 1365lbs payload, probably similar to the Ram Ecodiesel. Switched to a 2015 Ram Cummins, 2089lbs payload. My Classic 25fb tongue weight is 1100 to 1200lbs. Advertised tongue weight is less than actual tongue weight. FC 25 is probably 900 to 1000lbs.

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Old 09-24-2016, 12:08 AM   #7
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There are plenty SUVs out there that make excellent tow vehicles if your wife likes them better than pickups.

The Ram EcoDiesel 3L engine has 240 horsepower. Is there a smaller engine with less horsepower being sold in a fullsize pickup? I would be concerned that such a small engine would be working its butt off just trying to get the empty truck up to speed, to say nothing of hauling a trailer. Further, the increased cost of diesel fuel and maintenance cancels out some of the MPG gains. Then there’s the nuisance of pumping diesel rather than gas. After the new-car-smell wears off, I think you would find your TV adequate, but joyless.

The “experts” at CAN-AM know a whole lot more about towing than I ever will. But it seems they have overplayed their hand. I’m sure he has sound reasons for some of the claims he’s made, but his conclusions are bordering on illogical. He’s too far off center all by his lonesome to take seriously enough to base your decisions on.
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My advise is to ignore the wife not wanting a truck. From what you wrote a truck is the only option if you want capability and safety. The western part of the US requires a truck. When you start driving in the Rocky Mountains only a truck can handle the steep road grades. You need that added margin of safety that only a truck can give you. I have a 2004 classic 31 ft and tow with a Ram 2500 6.7 diesel. It is a sweet combination. Gives me piece of mind.
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:22 PM   #9
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The Ram Ecodiesel is no where close to the tundra. The Tundra tows almost twice what the Eco tows. I already checked it out. You have to go by tow weight not payload.
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:09 PM   #10
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2011+ infiniti QX 56 - 1,600lb payload, 8,500lb towing and 850lb tongue weight. 400hp and 413lb or torque.

Pulls our 25' extremely well and the passengers get to ride in luxury with a buttery smooth suspension, smooth engine and transmission.
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What makes our Ram EcoDiesel tow so perfect for towing our FC 25 is the 8 speed transmission and 3.92 axles, and the ProPride hitch. Plenty of power and very good engine/transmission braking, rock solid on the road in all weather and traffic conditions. The fuel economy is remarkable, it is a nice riding and handling truck with and without the Airstream. 100,000 mile power train warranty.

With any non-heavy duty pickup or SUV you have to consider loading in the truck when carrying a trailer on the hitch. A good weight distribution hitch that is set up properly can transfer 20% of the hitch weight to the Airstream's axles. With our ProPride hitch, the last CAT truck scale reading showed the Airstream and hitch added 840 lbs to the truck's load. The EcoD has front and rear 3900 lb axles, our loaded combo is under these axle ratings and carrying within 20 lbs of each other. Keep heavy gear out of the truck's bed, especially behind the truck's rear axle.
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2011+ infiniti QX 56 - 1,600lb payload, 8,500lb towing and 850lb tongue weight. 400hp and 413lb or torque.

Pulls our 25' extremely well and the passengers get to ride in luxury with a buttery smooth suspension, smooth engine and transmission.
Just curious, is the 1600# payload the published payload or the actual payload stated on the B-pillar's yellow sticker? I'm guessing its the (inflated) published payload as an QX80 I saw had around 1350# stamped on the yellow sticker.

When I was at the NY auto show, I checked the payload number of all SUVs on their B-pillar's yellow sticker. I could not find a single SUV that had more than 1350# of payload (I believe Toyota Sequoia had 1350# of payload). Large SUVs were in 1200# to 1300# range, and midsize SUVs in 900# to 1100# range. I guess the lower trim of those SUVs would have a bit more payload.
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Payload is what you are carrying in the vehicle at any given time, perhaps useful as a shopping tool. The sticker payload number will be preceded by "should never exceed", and will most probably be invalidated by dealer options or mod's before it leaves the lot.

The axle ratings (GVAR) are hard numbers stated on the door for each axle, weighing the loaded combo ready to tow will tell you if you are overloaded. And you could be under the "should never exceed" number and have an overloaded axle. Use a quality weight distribution hitch, set up properly, and take it to the truck scale and weigh the axles to see what you actually have.
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tow vehicle recommendation

My door sticker is 1,420 lbs payload after fuel tank is full I believe (might be 1,450 actually I forget the exact number but it's right in that range). I have 4wd drivetrain. The 2wd version has higher payload due to lower curb weight (no center diff, etc).

My tongue weight adds 760lbs to the truck on the scales so I have a net carrying capacity of 660lb before I hit the theoretical "limit". This is similar to many 1/2 ton pickups.

I believe that payload is an important metric to take into consideration for safe vehicle handling when adding an 800lb trailer tongue to the overall vehicle weight along with occupants and camping gear in the vehicle.

I believe in (a) not exceeding the gross vehicle weight rating and (b) not exceeding front or rear axle weight ratings.

I have a pretty aggressive weight distribution with my 1000# equalizer hitch (late model QX's have a supple suspension and a short rear overhang which helps dial things in) and last time I weighed everything all my axels we within their respective limits along with GVWR reading for camping....
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