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Old 07-24-2019, 08:29 PM   #71
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So this really ticks me off. I bought my pickup in 2017 (F150) with the navigation system. In 2 years Ford STILL has maps on it as old as the hills. STILL haven't sent out updates. TERRIBLE support. If they charge $800 for unsupported navigations systems they don't deserve my business.



Not only that but TLC truck gave the new RAM a much better review than the F150. I've sensed that Ford has gotten really lazy. I can't believe all the recalls on my F150. Time for a change?



For those that have newer RAM's and GM products how are they on the navigation systems?


Meh. Google or Apple map = free. Transmits right onto your dash screen. Waze is even better, itíll tell you where the wrecks and cops are, though no Airstreamer goes above 65mph....right?
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Old 07-24-2019, 08:31 PM   #72
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To gypsydad's point - definitely check the driver's door sticker for ACTUAL payload. I was told our Ram 1500's payload was 1840# by the salesperson based on his Ram Configuration Tools - they dealer-traded for the vehicle. A few weeks after we picked it up I discovered it was really 1220#. Had I known that I would have opted for a Ram 2500 gas that's in the 3000# payload range.
Still working with the dealer to get the payload we were sold...

Good luck!
After 7 months of wrangling we negotiated the swap - dealer took back the 1500 with 1220 lbs payload for a 2019 2500 with 2940 lbs payload! Iím exhausted but very happy!
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:40 PM   #73
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Old 07-25-2019, 03:35 AM   #74
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After 7 months of wrangling we negotiated the swap - dealer took back the 1500 with 1220 lbs payload for a 2019 2500 with 2940 lbs payload! Iím exhausted but very happy!
CONGRATS!!!

Glad they did they right thing and worked with you on this!
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Old 07-25-2019, 03:39 AM   #75
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So this really ticks me off. I bought my pickup in 2017 (F150) with the navigation system. In 2 years Ford STILL has maps on it as old as the hills. STILL haven't sent out updates. TERRIBLE support. If they charge $800 for unsupported navigations systems they don't deserve my business.

Not only that but TLC truck gave the new RAM a much better review than the F150. I've sensed that Ford has gotten really lazy. I can't believe all the recalls on my F150. Time for a change?

For those that have newer RAM's and GM products how are they on the navigation systems?
Most OEM NAV systems *SUCK*...

If I had the option of getting the 12" screen on my RAM without the NAV, I would have done so in a heartbeat.

As others have stated AndroidAuto, Waze, or CarPlay are superior products for the vast majority of the time. If you are worried about RV specific information, cell signal and data, then get a dedicated GPS unit... even with lifetime maps they are damned cheaper than they used to be!
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:27 AM   #76
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Vintage: Your comment about +60 years old and flip phone reflects the opinionated arrogance of a know-it-all old geezer.

For those in the conversation who are more constructive:

I use and appreciate the factory NAV system in my 2017 RAM, as I find it easier and less distracting (hence safer) than using my iPhone in a mount. I have state of the art NAV on my iPhone and iPad (both terrestrial and nautical) which I use for planning and backup in uncertain situations. A sailor never relies on one source of navigation. Add the First Mate with Natíl Geo or Rand Mac on her lap, and Iím very well directed.

That said, I decline to pay the exorbitant update charge for the RAM NAV system. Iím not running UBER in Dallas, and highways and byways in the USA donít change that much in a year or three. It is absurd that FCA, Ford and GM do not provide wi-fi NAV updates for at last five years.

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Scratch my first sentence. Not necessary to criticize others to express a different opinion.
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:32 AM   #77
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Factory installed navigation (NAVI) on any vehicle is so outdated as a factory option that having that option installed on a new/late model vehicle makes little to no difference to most buyer's in today's new or almost new vehicle market. The ONLY people looking for factory installed NAVI are 60+ years old and still use a flip phone.

15 years ago NAVI made all the difference between selling and not selling that vehicle particularly in the "High Line" vehicle market. Today the only time NAVI even makes the discussion is with older buyer's who have a hard time embracing technology.

With the different navigations apps such as WAZE, Google and others that are available on your phone that are FAR SUPERIOR to any factory installed navigation system and the fact that your phone can be easily "Paired" with your vehicles audio system buying a factory installed navigation system is a BIG WASTE OF MONEY!
I find it rather arrogant of you to refer to us folks who happen to be 60+ and using a "flip" phone, did it ever occur to you that some of us may PREFER a flip phone?
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:57 AM   #78
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I've worked with computers for many years, as a systems analyst and coding when necessary . I designed and wrote an automated system for a well-known sail-maker to produce his sails, including spinnakers. I only mention this to put my choice of navigation system for my Dodge Ram 2500 in perspective. It's the same as
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:01 AM   #79
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Dang over 60 and own an iPhone Xs. I also like built in nav for somethings. Guess Iím out of date too 🧐
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:03 AM   #80
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You donít need a Nav system use your phone.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:08 AM   #81
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You donít need a Nav system use your phone.
Thanks for the feedback, but Iíll decide what I need.

To quote an earlier post, which states my viewpoint exactly:
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I use and appreciate the factory NAV system in my 2017 RAM, as I find it easier and less distracting (hence safer) than using my iPhone in a mount. I have state of the art NAV on my iPhone and iPad (both terrestrial and nautical) which I use for planning and backup in uncertain situations. A sailor never relies on one source of navigation. Add the First Mate with Natíl Geo or Rand Mac on her lap, and Iím very well directed.
I own an iPhone 8 Plus. Nice, big screen. It is indispensable to me in general. But I donít use it for navigation while driving for the above-stated reasons. I use it before a trip to get an overview of my route. But once Iím in the driverís seat, the built-in navigation system in my 2016 RAM 2500 is all I use.

To each his/her own.

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Old 07-25-2019, 10:09 AM   #82
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You don’t need a Nav system use your phone.
I use a Samsung B2100 phone with no GPS. IMHO one vital aspect of an effective use of technology is "resilience". By that is meant the capability of carrying on in spite of a failure of one component in a system. If one combines multiple applications in a single device, and the device fails, one loses multiple applications. The Samsung B2100 phone is itself highly resilient, being water-resistant and shock-resistant. It is used by the pilots of rescue helicopters in the Swiss Alps. Mine cost me $20, used, on eBay.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:22 AM   #83
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You donít need a Nav system use your phone.


Ditto to what the others have said, I was tongue in cheek re; tech, still working and in the business. I find both have their place. Also phones donít always have coverage and that means no maps unless youíve previously planned everything out which makes it hard to be spontaneous. Might be why I also have paper maps including topographical ones for hiking.
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Time to change to RAM?

The iPhone 8+ navigation apps I use both include internally stored maps.

They are ďNAVIGONĒ which is now off market and SIGIC. Both have an external HUD that connects to the phone via Bluetooth and is easy to view.

Note: taking NAVIGON off the market is one reason I will not use any Garmin products ever again. They deliberately bought a great program just to kill it and eliminate competition. Sad...

And yeah, Iím 70+, still working full time in computer security, and Iím a computer geek and Ham Radio operator of long standing. Tech stuff is my bread and butter.
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