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Old 07-24-2019, 09:19 AM   #57
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So this really ticks me off. I bought my pickup in 2017 (F150) with the navigation system. In 2 years Ford STILL has maps on it as old as the hills. STILL haven't sent out updates. TERRIBLE support. If they charge $800 for unsupported navigations systems they don't deserve my business.

Not only that but TLC truck gave the new RAM a much better review than the F150. I've sensed that Ford has gotten really lazy. I can't believe all the recalls on my F150. Time for a change?

For those that have newer RAM's and GM products how are they on the navigation systems?
We have a '19 RAM 1500. Navigation is OK for the truck but DO NOT USE IT FOR RVing. Tip- We use two simultaneously- Garmin 760 and RV Trip Wizard. WOW, what a great system. What one lacks the other has. We are planners and now know exactly where the feul stops will be. Always routed appropriately. Hope this helps. Tom
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:20 AM   #58
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FWIW, I've not known any manufacturer to just "send out updates". It will be interesting to hear from GM or RAM owners on their experiences but mine, with any number of different manufacturers, is that you have to pay for the latest navigation database.


https://ford.navigation.com/home/en_...ce=Ford-Owners
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:43 AM   #59
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Factory installed navigation (NAVI) on any vehicle is so outdated as a factory option that having that option installed on a new/late model vehicle makes little to no difference to most buyer's in today's new or almost new vehicle market. The ONLY people looking for factory installed NAVI are 60+ years old and still use a flip phone.

15 years ago NAVI made all the difference between selling and not selling that vehicle particularly in the "High Line" vehicle market. Today the only time NAVI even makes the discussion is with older buyer's who have a hard time embracing technology.

With the different navigations apps such as WAZE, Google and others that are available on your phone that are FAR SUPERIOR to any factory installed navigation system and the fact that your phone can be easily "Paired" with your vehicles audio system buying a factory installed navigation system is a BIG WASTE OF MONEY!
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I have a 2018 F150 Platinum. Never even opened the Nav. It is outdated and any update will be outdated as well.


I use Waze which has its own issues as does Garmin which I also use.


A couple months ago I looked up fast food on the Garmin and it routed me 3 miles around a block, all right hand turns, when I could have just taken a left and gone a half mile to my left. I have heard that Garmin doesn't like left hand turns.


There is nothing perfect, but the least perfect is going to be a vehicle nav. Which by the way the manufacturer has no control over. It is the mapping companies that control it.


Keep your truck and just buy a Garmin as imperfect as it is or use Waze when cell service is available. Even buying a phone that will run Waze will cost you less than the down payment on a different truck.
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:59 AM   #61
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Car play is the answer if the truck supports it. If not, buy a new iPhone and use the maps APP and let your passenger hold it or get a cheap mount for it. That would be cheaper in the long run if NAV updates from Ford cost $99. My 2018 Duramax works perfect with CarPlay and my dealer tried to fleece me with an Onstar subscription. Fake News.
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Old 07-24-2019, 11:15 AM   #62
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The map update does not have to be purchased via the dealer. Get the latest specific SD card number or CD release number from your dealer (regardless of vehicle manufacturer) and then search the net to find other outlets. Most can be had in the range of $30-35 for SD card systems, CDs run $50-60.

For example, a brand new 2019 Ford Sync3 SD can be found here:

https://www.ebay.com/p/2019-Map-Upda...ord/3019112754

Historically, map update versions are generally made available on a two year cycle.
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The map update does not have to be purchased via the dealer. Get the latest specific SD card number or CD release number from your dealer (regardless of vehicle manufacturer) and then search the net to find other outlets. Most can be had in the range of $30-35 for SD card systems, CDs run $50-60.

For example, a brand new 2019 Ford Sync3 SD can be found here:

https://www.ebay.com/p/2019-Map-Upda...ord/3019112754

Historically, map update versions are generally made available on a two year cycle.
They're going to take your money. For Sync3 the maps are keyed to your VIN. For Sync and Sync 2 the eBay copies worked, but not for Sync 3.
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iPhone!!
No charge for superior maps, constantly updated.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:14 PM   #65
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Our Tesla updates maps and software frequently. Only problem is it won't tow our 23 FC.
Leave it to Tesla to be the exception!
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:49 PM   #66
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I have a 2017 2500 Laramie and just purchased the latest update. Iím not thrilled. It looks the same to me. Graphics arenít any better, routes look the same. Maybe I didnít do it right but kinda blew that that $100.00 for nothing.
I use Waze, and really like it, I have the Nav system in the wife's 2017 Equinox and it is okay. I really can't imagine that the roads are changing so much that I would need an update more than every 3-4 years. The "look" may change but most routes will not . I like the wife's nav but I much prefer Waze and use it even in her vehicle. What's not to like about crowd sourced nav? Instant traffic alerts, accident reports, construction delays/detours and more. At least one manufacturer, I forget which one, is now installing Waze as their nav app.
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Simple fix. When I bought my new Ford Flex, I was able to find one without navigation! I use ApplePlay, which displays full screen on my system. Apple maps, Google maps and also Wayze. Way better nav system than factory supplied, and no $ for needless upgrades.
Try it with your system.
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Old 07-24-2019, 04:53 PM   #68
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I have a 2017 GMC Sierra 1500 with the 6.2L Engine and the Max Trailering package. The navigation system is superb and an annual navigation data base update is available (around $150 most of the year or it's offered for $99 for about a month each year when first released). I have not upgraded the nav data base yet, but I plan to the next time around. Also, the GM IntelliLink system will directly interface with Android Auto/Google Navigation & Maps or Apple Carplay. Additionally, I've added the free Weather Channel App and a few others as the app interface selection is pretty broad. I just set my phone as a WiFi Hot Spot and use my Verizon data which I'm already paying for rather than using the GM WiFi system. Note, the integral GPS requires no WiFi like most other vehicle GPS systems.

I wouldn't buy a different truck just because of this map database issue if I was satisfied with the vehicle in general. My concern about the light duty Fords is that they are using a small displacement V6 with dual turbos to make up for the displacement. Since the truck/trailer gross combination weight (GCW) is approximately doubled when towing (Versus solo) and the engine displacement is small it relies on boost for torque/HP. That does not bode well for durability over the years. That's my issue with the EcoBoost engine and it's an opinion that is not shared by all. I think that the F150 is an excellent truck overall. The Ram is also an excellent truck.
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Old 07-24-2019, 05:31 PM   #69
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Factory installed navigation (NAVI) on any vehicle is so outdated as a factory option that having that option installed on a new/late model vehicle makes little to no difference to most buyer's in today's new or almost new vehicle market. The ONLY people looking for factory installed NAVI are 60+ years old and still use a flip phone.

15 years ago NAVI made all the difference between selling and not selling that vehicle particularly in the "High Line" vehicle market. Today the only time NAVI even makes the discussion is with older buyer's who have a hard time embracing technology.

With the different navigations apps such as WAZE, Google and others that are available on your phone that are FAR SUPERIOR to any factory installed navigation system and the fact that your phone can be easily "Paired" with your vehicles audio system buying a factory installed navigation system is a BIG WASTE OF MONEY!


Vintage: Your comment about +60 years old and flip phone reflects the opinionated arrogance of a know-it-all old geezer.

For those in the conversation who are more constructive:

I use and appreciate the factory NAV system in my 2017 RAM, as I find it easier and less distracting (hence safer) than using my iPhone in a mount. I have state of the art NAV on my iPhone and iPad (both terrestrial and nautical) which I use for planning and backup in uncertain situations. A sailor never relies on one source of navigation. Add the First Mate with Natíl Geo or Rand Mac on her lap, and Iím very well directed.

That said, I decline to pay the exorbitant update charge for the RAM NAV system. Iím not running UBER in Dallas, and highways and byways in the USA donít change that much in a year or three. It is absurd that FCA, Ford and GM do not provide wi-fi NAV updates for at last five years.

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Really????? My Chevrolet 6.2L has 420 hp and 460 ftlb torque. You must be passing 5.3L .......
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I am on my second ram 1500 4x4 5.7L hemi used for towing my 28ft FC. Dry weight of trailer is 5900lbs. I have never found the 1250lb payload rating to be a constraint with the bed full. I use a husky WD hitch with 1800lb bars which moves the tongue weight forward to load the TV axles evenly. I have towed my trailer for close to 50,000 miles with this configuration all over the West and Canada without issue. GM and Ford cannot come close to the gas performance of the 5.7L hemi engine @400hp/400ft-lbs of torque. I regularly pass GM/Ford gas F150's on hills. I am not up on diesel performances between manufacturers as I have no need for any more hp/torque then what I have. Prior to my RAM purchases I owned a F150 5.2L and after 75K miles the engine was shot from tappet wear. So..I am pretty much a RAM customer now.
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