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Old 07-17-2019, 09:44 PM   #43
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Google maps has a feature for offline maps. Before your trip, you can download the latest map for a given area in case you lose internet. Google maps will keep it updated as long as it is being used.

This would take care of the poor connectivity scenarios or at least help significantly.
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Ram has problem with payload numbers, my 3/4 RAM if you check the VIN it says it has 3180(?) but on my yellow door tag it says 2868.
CWSWine, yes it’s very frustrating about the stated and actual payload. For some reason it’s much worse on the 1500 than HD trucks. Mine was 620 lbs less!

Dealer is saying it’s they used the Ram software Tools to configure and locate a truck for me with 1840 lbs payload. They’ve pushed it up the FCA chain of command but no resolution yet. *Actually, FCA did offer the dealer financial assistance but the dealer said it wasn’t enough to make them whole and nixed it.

My next option is to contact NBC5 in Chicago’s “What’s your problem” and see if some public exposure will help them come around. I hate to go that way but nothing else has worked.
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:50 AM   #45
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CWSWine, yes it’s very frustrating about the stated and actual payload. For some reason it’s much worse on the 1500 than HD trucks. Mine was 620 lbs less!

Dealer is saying it’s they used the Ram software Tools to configure and locate a truck for me with 1840 lbs payload. They’ve pushed it up the FCA chain of command but no resolution yet. *Actually, FCA did offer the dealer financial assistance but the dealer said it wasn’t enough to make them whole and nixed it.

My next option is to contact NBC5 in Chicago’s “What’s your problem” and see if some public exposure will help them come around. I hate to go that way but nothing else has worked.
Nothing more frustrating then when the "sales team" at the dealer gives you bad information influencing your purchase! Im not sure about the NBC5 you mention, but I would go to the GM of the dealership and explain how/why you purchased that truck, based on sales info...and ask if they will either buy it back, or give you one hell of a trade-up for the larger payloade, or even size of the truck. You will likely pay a bit more for sure, but would solve the frustration you will have if you don't take action...

I know how mad I was when I found out my F150 Platinum only had 1039lbs payload after driving it for 2 years and not knowing importance of that payload sticker....sales guy told me, "this thing will pull 1200 lbs"!
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I think most of us with 1/2 ton 1500/150s have learned this. My example was can tow up to 15,000 combined which was fine. Issue was truck payload which was 1,486 on the sticker.

My F 350 is at 3,324 payload and 21,000 trailer weight which obviously is overkill but odds are I’ll never outgrow it.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:12 PM   #47
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a similar equipped 2019 Duramax was $22k less than the Ram? Really?


Yep. I had a chev dealer negotiated to 58k, then left, straight to Ram and attempted to negotiate an essentially identically equipped truck. They moved from $82K to $80K. It made the decision simple.

DW and I loved the Ram, but not an additional $22K love!
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I am on my second ram 1500 4x4 5.7L hemi used for towing my 28ft FC. Dry weight of trailer is 5900lbs. I have never found the 1250lb payload rating to be a constraint with the bed full. I use a husky WD hitch with 1800lb bars which moves the tongue weight forward to load the TV axles evenly. I have towed my trailer for close to 50,000 miles with this configuration all over the West and Canada without issue. GM and Ford cannot come close to the gas performance of the 5.7L hemi engine @400hp/400ft-lbs of torque. I regularly pass GM/Ford gas F150's on hills. I am not up on diesel performances between manufacturers as I have no need for any more hp/torque then what I have. Prior to my RAM purchases I owned a F150 5.2L and after 75K miles the engine was shot from tappet wear. So..I am pretty much a RAM customer now.
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If a 1500 meets your needs don’t rule out the GM options with the 6.2. Over 440? HP & Torque. My issue was not engine had plenty was payload and rear axle weight (was on the line).
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When you say "rear axle weight" are you talking springs or axle bearing strength? Springs certainly can be a limitation with 1500/F150 class trucks but I would never be concerned about strength. I have had this discussion with friends before and I always ask them...when is the last time you heard/saw/read of someone breaking an axle on a 1500/F150 truck. Answer...never. They design these axles with some much overkill it is just not an issue.
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When you say "rear axle weight" are you talking springs or axle bearing strength? Springs certainly can be a limitation with 1500/F150 class trucks but I would never be concerned about strength. I have had this discussion with friends before and I always ask them...when is the last time you heard/saw/read of someone breaking an axle on a 1500/F150 truck. Answer...never. They design these axles with some much overkill it is just not an issue.


I was talking about rated rear axle weight which I’m assuming is load capacity.
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Nothing more frustrating then when the "sales team" at the dealer gives you bad information influencing your purchase!
I stopped by the dealer today and spoke to the owner. He was in contact with the Ram Regional Mgr about the dealer assistance offer from FCA. He asked the salesperson how far apart they were on breaking even on the buyback (it’s $6,000).

I asked “What’s it going to take to make the deal?” He told the salesperson to pull the numbers together along with the invoice from the 2500 I wanted. They came back with an offer to buy back my 1500 and sell me the 2500 (rather than a lease) for about $20 more per month than the lease. Talked to the DW and gave them the thumbs up. Now they have to secure the new truck and do the paperwork. Fingers crossed everything goes through without a hiccup.
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I stopped by the dealer today and spoke to the owner. He was in contact with the Ram Regional Mgr about the dealer assistance offer from FCA. He asked the salesperson how far apart they were on breaking even on the buyback (it’s $6,000).

I asked “What’s it going to take to make the deal?” He told the salesperson to pull the numbers together along with the invoice from the 2500 I wanted. They came back with an offer to buy back my 1500 and sell me the 2500 (rather than a lease) for about $20 more per month than the lease. Talked to the DW and gave them the thumbs up. Now they have to secure the new truck and do the paperwork. Fingers crossed everything goes through without a hiccup.
Sounds like they are really trying to work with you on this... hope it works out for you!
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Yep. I had a chev dealer negotiated to 58k, then left, straight to Ram and attempted to negotiate an essentially identically equipped truck. They moved from $82K to $80K. It made the decision simple.

DW and I loved the Ram, but not an additional $22K love!
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I am on my second ram 1500 4x4 5.7L hemi used for towing my 28ft FC. Dry weight of trailer is 5900lbs. I have never found the 1250lb payload rating to be a constraint with the bed full. I use a husky WD hitch with 1800lb bars which moves the tongue weight forward to load the TV axles evenly. I have towed my trailer for close to 50,000 miles with this configuration all over the West and Canada without issue. GM and Ford cannot come close to the gas performance of the 5.7L hemi engine @400hp/400ft-lbs of torque. I regularly pass GM/Ford gas F150's on hills. I am not up on diesel performances between manufacturers as I have no need for any more hp/torque then what I have. Prior to my RAM purchases I owned a F150 5.2L and after 75K miles the engine was shot from tappet wear. So..I am pretty much a RAM customer now.
1250 payload on your Ram is not enough for the 28' if you want to stay within specs...your 28' 2012 AS is rated at 950 TW, and likely is over 1000lbs when loaded??..mine is 1100lbs by the way. Add 2 passengers and your over the spec payload...have you weighed your AS to know actual weights? You can play with the weight distribution all you want, but you don't want to be over spec should something happen. (IMHO)

As for RAM Hemi vs GM/Ford performance, you may have had bad luck with your 5.2l V8. The Echoboost has more HP and Torque, and the new model is very impressive.. Here are some actual numbers...
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-- 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 - Max tow rating of 12,200 lbs. Max payload of 3,220 lbs.
--5.7-liter HEMI V8 - Max tow rating of . Max payload of 1,690 lbs10,690 lbs

--2019 Ford F-150 Limited-3.5L EcoBoost V6 H.O, 450HP, 510 Torque, 10 speed.
--2019 Chevy Silverado High Country-420hp, 460 Torque, 10 speed.
--2019 Ram 1500 Limited Engine -395HP, 410 Torque, 8 speed.

They all have good engine numbers if you select the right 1/2T's now...just get the proper tow packages, payload rating above 1500lbs, and make sure you get a the larger fuel tanks...it's all good!
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Here is a really easy to use webpage to figure out what your truck can handle and the best part it is nontechnical and easy to use.

http://towingplanner.com/Calculators...00&tc=50&ct=TT
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