Time for a new TV - Tundra or Sierra?

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by Isuzusweet

I wonder how the recent developments with GM's bailing out of the US and Canada will affect or influence people's decision to buy GM.
It certainly has changed my mind and where my buying power goes.
Cheers
Sidekick Tony

Those “developments” have been in the works for several years...just putting that out there.

[KK4YZ]

Originally Posted by r carl

https://toyota.custhelp.com/app/answ...iming-chain%3F

LOL. Did you read the chart? There hasn’t been a timing belt since the ‘09 4.6l engine. That was 10 years ago.

Like I said, the 5.7L has a timing chain.

[Countryboy59]

Hmmm...400 ft-lbs or 800 ft-lbs...tough choice.

OP, save yourself some money and at least drive the diesel first before you settle for the Toyota.

[suzieleigh]

Originally Posted by JimCT

Toyota has been replacing entire frames on their trucks. Just a thought about their engineering

Mostly it's been the older Tacoma's but our 07 Tundra had some frame rust and we got a new $13K frame at no cost last year. Toyota stands behind their vehicles.

[suzieleigh]

Originally Posted by JimCT

Toyota has been replacing entire frames on their trucks. Just a thought about their engineering

Mostly the Tacoma's but our 07 Tundra had some rust and we got a new frame last year at no cost. Toyota stands behind their product.

[Bev1940]

Originally Posted by walker77

So we have a 03 F-150 currently with 95k on it. I decided we need a new truck when the brakes went out while towing our 25ft classic. We were coming off the highway when they went out. Only thing that saved us was the brakes on the trailer. That has been the only time that I've really been shook up while pulling. Ended up the hydraulic line running to the rear had been rubbing on the frame all these years and finally broke. Lost all pressure. Peddle went all the way to the floor.

I've really been looking at the 1/2 ton 2018 sierra. I really like the looks of it. And I've towed with my dads 2015 duramax. I fell in love with the built in trailer brake control.

I stopped by the Toyota dealer tonight. The new tundra isn't bad either. And we have had good luck with our Camry.


Anyone tow with both? How does the built in trailer brake compare?

I had a 1999 GMC Sierra 1500 2WD for 15 years and towed my 31' AS to Yukon when the truck was 13 years old! I now have a 2014 GMC Sierra 2WD and it does a great job the hill braking works well just like a Jake brake! I towed the old TinCan to Louisianna last January no problem, and you gotta love that GMC grill!

[Bev1940]

Originally Posted by BBosso4

As most members have said, I don't have much experience beyond what I personally own (2017 Sierra 2500HD with a 6.6L Duramax Diesel). I know a lot will say this is overkill for towing our 28 Flying Cloud but I have to tell you that it is amazing. We have gone from the Florida Keys all the way to Glacier National Park, to California, and all the way back to Florida with zero issues and beyond amazing towing, breaking, and comfort. Even on the some of the steepest of grades, the ceramic break pads and heavy duty transmission made it a breeze. The extendable tow mirrors are extremely useful as well.

If you are in the market and can spend the extra money, I would highly recommend a Sierra 2500 with the Duramax engine. Yes, its a little big around town but it is an amazing tow vehicle. We saw an average of 15mph while towing and I get an average of 22mph on the highway when I'm not towing. Best of all, this engine is so quiet it makes you wonder how they can get a diesel to sound this good. Best of luck!

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I get 15 mpg towing my 31' with my 2014 GMC Sierra 1500!

[pteck]

Originally Posted by Countryboy59

Hmmm...400 ft-lbs or 800 ft-lbs...tough choice.

OP, save yourself some money and at least drive the diesel first before you settle for the Toyota.

Hrmm...

Tundra to Ram 2500 diesel

381 hp to 370 hp
5380 lbs to 6802 lbs
Power to weight:
14.12 lb/hp vs 18.38 lb/hp

Yeah, really tough choice

[Daquenzer]

It seems like the diesel crowd can’t help themselves. Why would I want to spend 65000 on a truck. $ more per gallon. Deal with DEF. $100 oil changes. And not need it. My F150 ecoboost does just fine.

[r carl]

Originally Posted by suzieleigh

Mostly the Tacoma's but our 07 Tundra had some rust and we got a new frame last year at no cost. Toyota stands behind their product.

They were forced to comply.
https://autoweek.com/article/recalls...uit-34-billion

[KK4YZ]

Originally Posted by Countryboy59

OP, save yourself some money and at least drive the diesel first before you settle for the Toyota.

This thread is getting funnier by the minute. “Save money with the 3/4 ton diesel”?
The diesel has advantages for towing but economy isn’t one of them.

First you have to shell out a LOT more $ to purchase. And the increased mpg is wiped out by the cost of fuel. I recently saw regular for $1.99 and diesel for $2.99.

I’ll bet there’s a $15K difference in price between those two trucks. Save your $.

[Daquenzer]

Originally Posted by KK4YZ

This thread is getting funnier by the minute. “Save money with the 3/4 ton diesel”?
The diesel has advantages for towing but economy isn’t one of them.

First you have to shell out a LOT more $ to purchase. And the increased mpg is wiped out by the cost of fuel. I recently saw regular for $1.99 and diesel for $2.99.

I’ll bet there’s a $15K difference in price between those two trucks. Save your $.

TOTALLY AGREE!! They only way a diesel makes sense is if you plan on towing with it on an almost constant basis or if you have to tow up to 15,000lbs. My son-in-law on the farm needs a diesel truck because he tows HEAVY trailers and machinery. He needs torque to get things moving. I heard the "break even" point for a diesel pickup was 200,000 miles. Assuming there isn't a $5,000 breakdown which can easily happen.

For those that tow maybe 6 to 10 times a year it makes absolutely no sense. What the heck did people do before they had all these powerful pickups and towed Airstreams?

If and when electric pickups come out the diesel will go by way of the Model T. I've heard of the same torque and horsepower ratings on EV pickups. There are still issues with range and etc. But I suspect that in the next 10 to 15 years the combustion engine may become a dinosaur.

[pteck]

Diesels days are numbered. Enjoy them while you can if that is your thing.

They still make sense in specific niche's, but they are getting squeezed out.

EV's (Tesla Model X, Semi) will outperform them at the top. More torque, power, and efficiency. Infrastructure and range/capacity is coming.

Gassers already outperforming them at the bottom (more power, less weight), still not completely competitive in efficiency until high power hybrids get into the picture. Torque isn't even the differentiator that some believe it is, because wheel torque is what matters. A burly gasser can easily be geared for larger loads, just like how HD diesels come geared already for the assumed larger loads.

Then there is the uncouth nature of diesels themselves. Passenger oil burners are having a tough timing meeting modern emissions. HD powerplants aren't completely held to these tightening standards. Yet, it's coming. Bandaids like urea already make owning a PITA. Never mind all the other emission reliability concerns. Cost savings....yeah, not with these other concerns.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by KK4YZ

This thread is getting funnier by the minute. “Save money with the 3/4 ton diesel”?
The diesel has advantages for towing but economy isn’t one of them.

First you have to shell out a LOT more $ to purchase. And the increased mpg is wiped out by the cost of fuel. I recently saw regular for $1.99 and diesel for $2.99.

I’ll bet there’s a $15K difference in price between those two trucks. Save your $.

Yeah but you lose a ton of money when you get tired of the performance of the Toyota and trade up. Ask me how I know.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by Daquenzer

TOTALLY AGREE!! They only way a diesel makes sense is if you plan on towing with it on an almost constant basis or if you have to tow up to 15,000lbs. My son-in-law on the farm needs a diesel truck because he tows HEAVY trailers and machinery. He needs torque to get things moving. I heard the "break even" point for a diesel pickup was 200,000 miles. Assuming there isn't a $5,000 breakdown which can easily happen.

For those that tow maybe 6 to 10 times a year it makes absolutely no sense. What the heck did people do before they had all these powerful pickups and towed Airstreams?

If and when electric pickups come out the diesel will go by way of the Model T. I've heard of the same torque and horsepower ratings on EV pickups. There are still issues with range and etc. But I suspect that in the next 10 to 15 years the combustion engine may become a dinosaur.

The cool thing about being my age and at my stage is it doesn’t have to make sense. I just like my truck. I like EVs too by the way.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by pteck

Hrmm...

Tundra to Ram 2500 diesel

381 hp to 370 hp
5380 lbs to 6802 lbs
Power to weight:
14.12 lb/hp vs 18.38 lb/hp

Yeah, really tough choice

That’s if it’s stock...

My truck is too big, heavy and noisy...said no countryboy ever.

[pteck]

Originally Posted by Countryboy59

That’s if it’s stock...

My truck is too big, heavy and noisy...said no countryboy ever.

Gentrification of a countryboy? Perhaps never. But many of us will have moved on to bigger and better things.

[KK4YZ]

Originally Posted by Countryboy59

Yeah but you lose a ton of money when you get tired of the performance of the Toyota and trade up. Ask me how I know.

Yeah, you had a 1988 Tercel while in school. Now you work for FIAT.
The Toyota performs very well, based on my experience and many, many others that tow airstreams.

Ariva Derci, spaghetti boy 😂

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by KK4YZ

Yeah, you had a 1988 Tercel while in school. Now you work for FIAT.
The Toyota performs very well, based on my experience and many, many others that tow airstreams.

Ariva Derci, spaghetti boy ��

Lol I had a 1969 Toyota in school. And I don’t work for an OEM. Thanks for the slur though; I am Italian. �� my Corona was a rear wheel drive, manual transmission four cylinder car.

They were always, and still are, a distant fourth or fifth or they would sell better than they do.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by pteck

Gentrification of a countryboy? Perhaps never. But many of us will have moved on to bigger and better things.

Lol my wife always cringes at my nickname. It doesn’t get more city than me. I’ve got years of engineering and a slew of patents under my belt. Still country at heart. Always got the guitar and a cold beer handy, and nothin’ but Big 3 parked in the driveway.