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Old 05-10-2012, 10:34 AM   #15
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If I had $50k and another $50k to maintain it for the next 10 yrs then I would have a diesel. Instead I am cheap and have an $8k gaser and it will cost me maybe $2k to maintain over the next 10yrs. If you just look at gas miliage and nothing else the diesel will always look better.

Diesels tend to eat transmissions because typically they put out more torque and the axels are geared higher which puts more stress on the drive train.

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Like I said in my previous post, the increased cost of the fuel negates any gain in mileage, and yes they are more expensive. I didn't buy the Diesel to save money, I bought it for the power.

If my objective was only to save money, I wouldn't even own an Airstream, I would stay home. YMMV
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:16 PM   #16
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Buy the right diesel and fuel economy plus longevity is greater, not to mention lower per-mile costs all around.

The trick in all of this how is:

1] How long to be kept?
2] How many miles in that time?

From that estimate -- time & miles -- then a budget which shows what will work best for a given vehicle combination.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:17 PM   #17
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Let's see: Gas costs $3.99 a gallon, diesel costs $4.07 a gallon (I just bought $130 worth of it last Saturday). My Cummins gets 30% better fuel mileage (21mpg) in my 3/4 ton 4x4 crew cab 8' bed Ram 2500 HD as compared to my 350V8 1/2 ton Chevy Suburban (15mpg). I think the argument that diesels aren't cost effective is highly variable.

I also had an Excursion with a V10. It did tow nicely. But the big Ram tows much better.

However, and this is a BIG however....I bought my diesel new. I got a fleet discount which knocked $5500 off the price, and then got another $2500 off for "Dodge Days." That made the truck "almost" affordable to me. And, I plan to run it until there's nothing left of it. I'm not so sure on buying a used diesel...the reason being everyone I know that has a diesel pickup likes is so much that they don't sell it until it's got at least 150,000 miles on it; sometimes double that. So it is hard to find a good deal on a used one.

Horsepower sounds nice, but it's torque that wins races. Diesels make torque in spades. Once you tow with one, it would be tough to go back to gas.

That being said, a buddy of mine bought a 3/4 ton Suburban with the 8.1L (that's a 496 for us hot rodders) for cheap cheap cheap, and it's a great tow vehicle. If I was really tight on money, I'd look hard at one of those.

Last year though, Ford was making some super deals on their diesels. A buddy of mine traded his '03 Dodge Cummins with 120,000 miles on a new F-250 crew cab short bed 4x4 fancy model (I think it's a Lariat...). The Ford was $56K. When they got done with all the discounts, and they allowed him $16K for his Dodge, he wound up paying something like $20K for it. It's worth taking a look anyway.

Best of luck!
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Let's see: Gas costs $3.99 a gallon, diesel costs $4.07 a gallon (I just bought $130 worth of it last Saturday). My Cummins gets 30% better fuel mileage (21mpg) in my 3/4 ton 4x4 crew cab 8' bed Ram 2500 HD as compared to my 350V8 1/2 ton Chevy Suburban (15mpg). I think the argument that diesels aren't cost effective is highly variable.
That delta will vary from place to place, and based on the supply of various fuels over time.

Here in Fort Worth, the delta between regular unleaded and diesel is around 40 cents/gallon right now. So, 30% better mileage gets you about 18-20% better per-dollar fuel economy. Not insignificant, but much worse than your example.
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That delta will vary from place to place, and based on the supply of various fuels over time.

Here in Fort Worth, the delta between regular unleaded and diesel is around 40 cents/gallon right now. So, 30% better mileage gets you about 18-20% better per-dollar fuel economy. Not insignificant, but much worse than your example.
The price disparity has changed in a big way up here lately...why, I don't know. Used to be 40 - 60 cents. Now it is down to 10 - 15 cents.

If it would stay that way, it would make a diesel a lot more attractive.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:42 AM   #20
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Diesel made a lot more sense when it was cheaper than gas. Now it is iffy. Torque is nice but when I am pulling a trailer I am not trying to win a race or be the first one up a mountain. If I lived in Colorado then a Turbo-Diesel or at least a turbo charged gasser would be the tow vehicle of choice because of the altitude. For the few times I am going to be climbing mountains, I don't really care how fast I get up the mountain as long as I get there. If I made my living pulling trailers and getting there on time was important then the extra towing power would be an asset. If I want to go fast I will get on one of my motorcycles. If I had the money I would love to have a big diesel truck. My choice is pay the house off or buy a new truck, which is more important? I will always chose the first but the average American won't.

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