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Old 08-26-2013, 04:28 PM   #29
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Drilling holes into the A-frame is the main reason I decided to get a ProPride.

I don't like the idea of drilling holes of any sort into a very critical part of the tow system...YMMV
Drilling a ~1/4" hole into one side of an A-frame isn't going to compromise structure. Of course every hitch has it's pros and cons. There are some things I don't like about my Hensley. One thing I don't like about the PP is the adjustable "stinger"; convenient to be sure, but it's not the most robust design IMO. From a design perspective and robustness, I prefer the Hensley. Not perfect by any means, but it's pretty darned good.

Dealers choice.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:49 AM   #30
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And this is why we're getting the ProPride hitch!!

This is scary:

Overturned trailer snags traffic on I-10

URL: http://www.nwfdailynews.com/local/up...-i-10-1.192862


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Old 08-27-2013, 06:11 AM   #31
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If the truck detects sway, it will apply the trailer brakes to stop the sway, and the "sway" message will be displayed.
Okay, that's really cool. How does it detect that the trailer is swaying?
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Old 08-27-2013, 06:38 AM   #32
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Okay, that's really cool. How does it detect that the trailer is swaying?
"Our trailer sway control feature works with AdvanceTrac® with Roll Stability Control™ (RSC®), using the sensor that measures yaw motion to determine if the trailer is swaying. If necessary, trailer sway control applies precise asymmetric braking or adjusted engine torque to help bring both vehicle and trailer under control.*"

IMHO....

It would be best to do everything you can to minimize sway from the start.
ie. Proper weight distribution/loading, WD hitch with sway control, tire pressures etc.

Depending only on the "auto" system for sway, constantly applying TV brakes doesn't seem like a prudent course of action. Your trailer could be moving around quite a bit and you may be completly unaware.
With a proper set-up it would only be activated under extrodinary situations.
Just my 2cents.

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Old 08-27-2013, 07:04 AM   #33
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My TV is a Ford Expedition with the same built in anti-sway control. It was a white knuckle experience the first time I towed the trailer home. I then contacted the very experienced dealer that did the set-up of the anti sway hitch, brake controller, and calibration. They looked into a few things then called back advising me to turn OFF the Ford anti sway feature. They said it was not designed to work with anti sway/WD hitches like my Blue Ox system. The two systems fight each other. The friction system of the hitch says "go this way" and the Ford system detects that friction as sway and says "no, go that way".

It's as if the two together create sway. I turn mine off (before reaching highway speed or you have to slow down to disengage it) and it's been as smooth as can be since then. Has anyone else experienced this with Ford's anti sway?

The RV dealer said Ford's system was designed for towing boats or utility trailers where a WD/anti sway hitch would not be involved.
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Old 08-27-2013, 07:09 AM   #34
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Now that makes sense....

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Old 08-27-2013, 07:18 AM   #35
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Dump the Pirelli, problem solved.
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Dump the Pirelli, problem solved.

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Were they the OEM P's on your KR?

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Old 08-27-2013, 10:33 AM   #37
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My TV is a Ford Expedition with the same built in anti-sway control. It was a white knuckle experience the first time I towed the trailer home. I then contacted the very experienced dealer that did the set-up of the anti sway hitch, brake controller, and calibration. They looked into a few things then called back advising me to turn OFF the Ford anti sway feature. They said it was not designed to work with anti sway/WD hitches like my Blue Ox system. The two systems fight each other. The friction system of the hitch says "go this way" and the Ford system detects that friction as sway and says "no, go that way".

It's as if the two together create sway. I turn mine off (before reaching highway speed or you have to slow down to disengage it) and it's been as smooth as can be since then. Has anyone else experienced this with Ford's anti sway?

The RV dealer said Ford's system was designed for towing boats or utility trailers where a WD/anti sway hitch would not be involved.
There may be some new info here but I don't understand it. Your friction sway control simply adds "drag" to sideways movement, it doesn't initiate any movement. How might they work against each other, if the hitch is not working but just resisting movement?

We have a 2012 Ram electronic sway control, there is no switch to turn it off. Never detected such a problem with three different hitches.

Is it possible the dealer was referring to shutting off the auto leveling system, if you have one? The auto leveling and w.d. system do fight each other when trying to set it up.

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I have a '75 Sovereign 31 with parts of the old style Reese sway control. Old Style Reese Sway Control OK?
Can I purchase new Reese trunnion bars, head and shank that will be compatible with the old sway control, or would it be better to invest in a new, complete system? How do I determine which parts, if any, will work?

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Old 08-27-2013, 07:34 PM   #39
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There may be some new info here but I don't understand it. Your friction sway control simply adds "drag" to sideways movement, it doesn't initiate any movement. How might they work against each other, if the hitch is not working but just resisting movement?

We have a 2012 Ram electronic sway control, there is no switch to turn it off. Never detected such a problem with three different hitches.

Is it possible the dealer was referring to shutting off the auto leveling system, if you have one? The auto leveling and w.d. system do fight each other when trying to set it up.

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No, they weren't referring to auto leveling. My Expy doesn't have that.

When you say "drag" I'm thinking "resistance" and that resistance has to have a base point to be applied against. That point is the hitch or stinger and that's where Ford's system seems to detect it as the beginning stages of sway that it feels it needs to correct when actually it's the anti sway hitch doing its job. For patent reasons I would imagine Dodge's system has to work a little bit differently. Bottom line I guess is that we can both feel comfortable that the systems are doing what they are designed to do and that's a good thing.
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??????

Were they the OEM P's on your KR?

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Yes. My sway problems went away when I dumped the stock Scorpions on the KR and went to a better tire.
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There is definately a cause/effect with tires and unstable towing, not to be overlooked.

You would think that Ford would consider the KR a "truck", but most mfgr scimp the same way.

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Old 08-28-2013, 07:55 AM   #42
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My TV is a Ford Expedition with the same built in anti-sway control. It was a white knuckle experience the first time I towed the trailer home. I then contacted the very experienced dealer that did the set-up of the anti sway hitch, brake controller, and calibration. They looked into a few things then called back advising me to turn OFF the Ford anti sway feature. They said it was not designed to work with anti sway/WD hitches like my Blue Ox system. The two systems fight each other. The friction system of the hitch says "go this way" and the Ford system detects that friction as sway and says "no, go that way".

It's as if the two together create sway. I turn mine off (before reaching highway speed or you have to slow down to disengage it) and it's been as smooth as can be since then. Has anyone else experienced this with Ford's anti sway?

The RV dealer said Ford's system was designed for towing boats or utility trailers where a WD/anti sway hitch would not be involved.
The Ford website uses an Airstream trailer for their sway control demonstration video:

2013 Ford F-150 Pickup Truck | More Powerful, Capable & Advanced. | Ford.com

I wonder if this RV dealer is passing out bad information, maybe just passing the buck?

Almost all people pulling an Airstream with a late model Ford are using the tow vehicle's electronic sway control together with a sway control hitch. If what the RV dealer says is true, it should be a universal problem. Is it?

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