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Old 07-17-2014, 07:25 AM   #99
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I could drop 900lbs just by draining the holding tanks, but I am not sure how much that will help the TW.
Does anyone int the Maryland area have a TW scale? I would also love to do a by tire weight, but I do not know anywhere around here that can do it.
If your unit's tanks are configured like mine....and you weighed with all tanks full, draining the black and gray will increase your tongue weight as they are behind both axles. Draining the fresh will not affect TW much, because the tank is centered between the axles. draining all will reduce axle weights though, obviously.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:48 AM   #100
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Rich, one of the things that brothers me, is that I read on the forums about my F250 truck being too much for the camper.

However, if I just replace the truck’s hitch with a class VI, and add stronger WD bars, I will start popping rivets.

I plan to buy an AirSafe class VI hitch, and replace my HaHa with a Rese Dual Cam equalizer hitch.

That might lower the TW a little, and stop rivets from popping…
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Personally, I don't think your HAHA is the issue. (What bars do you have?) I'd get the Airsafe first and see how that helps.

Not to start anything again, but removing the HAHA will reduce receiver weight, but not trailer tongue weight and will not reduce any stress on the tongue A-frame, and thus stop rivet popping. Lighter bars might help, but you need to transfer some pretty good amounts of weight with the heavy slide.

I need to go back and re-read what components you have.
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Old 07-17-2014, 09:15 AM   #102
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My experience with the ProPride (I'm sure the Hensley would be the same) was because of the increased distance between the actual ball, the pivot point, and the hitch receiver, it was difficult with a heavy trailer to get the actual weight transfer that was required. This of course had no effect on sway control, but it did on ride.

With the Reese SC I have now, and the draw bar shortened as much as possible, correct weight distribution is easily achieved. However, the sway control is not as good.

Seems my mother was right, I can't have my cake and eat it too.
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:22 AM   #103
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Are all tanks full on the scale tickets? If so, you have almost 1000# extra to do your analysis. I'd reweigh with empty tanks.
The fresh tank (most forward) full 53 gals or 443 lbs
Black next tank half full 25 gals or 221 lbs
Gray tank 25 gals another 221 lbs
HaHa 125
443+221+221+125=1010
I had all the heavy stuff on under and around the bed. I could maximize this a little bit more.
I might have to remove the 40 lbs propane tanks(about 140 lbs) and one of the batteries (63 lbs) while towing, but I really do not want to do that.
I am not 100% sure that the camper was completely level when weighted, but close.
I believe that the WD are 1000, but they are not marked. Hensley saw my pictures of them, and guessed them to be 1000s, I can only transfer at best 300 lbs with them.
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These are pictures of my HaHa setup.
Not to hijack, but hitch adjument does play into the weight on the truck's hitch.
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Old 07-23-2014, 06:10 PM   #105
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You'll like the AirSafe/Reese Dual Cam combination. Once it's set up with everything level, you will not have a sway problem.
Another bonus is, it's easy to hookup and unhook.
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OK, I'm a newbie here, and just bought our first AS (or any tow-behind, for that matter) so please forgive ignorance.

We bought a 2014 27FB Classic; which, according to AS has Unit Base Weight (w/LP & w/o options, water & cargo) of 6,672lbs; GVWR of 9,000lbs; and tongue weight of 792lbs. Our TV is a 2001 Dodge 2500HD long bed/reg cab w/Cummins (5spd stk). The truck is rated for a 13,700lb trailer, and the hitch receiver states that on a weight distributing hitch it will take a 10,000lb trailer and up to 1,000 tongue weight. So, supposedly, we are "in specs".

We bought it at Colonial up in NJ, and they installed an Equilizer hitch. We then drove it to the Adirondacks of NYS and then home to Mississippi, and one subsequent quick trip to the Gulf Coast - so around 2500 miles so far with no problems. Other than weight of 1/4 tank of fresh water and about 200# of clothes, dishes, etc., there was no additional weight in transit (always emptied grey and black tanks).

I haven't gotten it to a scale yet to get true weight, but it sounds like I need to, based on some of the weights posted here. I'm also a little alarmed about some people's tongue weights being so far above AS stated specs, as I supposedly only have around 200# of "wiggle room" between AS stated weight and max weight on receiver. I just read about the Shurline scale for tongue weights on this forum - is it worth the investment? Should I be looking at getting a bigger/better hitch (current one is the factory hitch)? Any/all advice welcome...
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OK, I'm a newbie here, and just bought our first AS (or any tow-behind, for that matter) so please forgive ignorance.

We bought a 2014 27FB Classic; which, according to AS has Unit Base Weight (w/LP & w/o options, water & cargo) of 6,672lbs; GVWR of 9,000lbs; and tongue weight of 792lbs. Our TV is a 2001 Dodge 2500HD long bed/reg cab w/Cummins (5spd stk). The truck is rated for a 13,700lb trailer, and the hitch receiver states that on a weight distributing hitch it will take a 10,000lb trailer and up to 1,000 tongue weight. So, supposedly, we are "in specs".

We bought it at Colonial up in NJ, and they installed an Equilizer hitch. We then drove it to the Adirondacks of NYS and then home to Mississippi, and one subsequent quick trip to the Gulf Coast - so around 2500 miles so far with no problems. Other than weight of 1/4 tank of fresh water and about 200# of clothes, dishes, etc., there was no additional weight in transit (always emptied grey and black tanks).

I haven't gotten it to a scale yet to get true weight, but it sounds like I need to, based on some of the weights posted here. I'm also a little alarmed about some people's tongue weights being so far above AS stated specs, as I supposedly only have around 200# of "wiggle room" between AS stated weight and max weight on receiver. I just read about the Shurline scale for tongue weights on this forum - is it worth the investment? Should I be looking at getting a bigger/better hitch (current one is the factory hitch)? Any/all advice welcome...
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I think your truck is sufficient for towing your trailer, with plenty of capacity to spare.
Tongue weight stated by Airstream does not include all the things you add to or take away from the trailer. So, each time you tow the tongue weight is different. I suggest you should weigh next time you go camping so you will really know. Then you can move things around inside the trailer if you need to. When you are packing, put heavy stuff down low in the trailer and toward the center. If the tongue is to heavy when you weigh, move some cargo toward the rear.
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Thanks, Alan!

I think I'm going to order that Shurline scale this week - that way, as loads change I can make sure I'm still within safe specs. I'm also going to keep a close watch on the hitch receiver itself - the truck spent half its life in northern New York State, and road salt has taken its toll. The trailer is a weight that the truck has never pulled before, and the weight-distributing Equalizer hitch is putting new stresses on as well. That combo could be a recipe for cracks and metal failure which wouldn't end well.

Anyone have info or opinions on the Shurline scales?
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Thanks, Alan!

I think I'm going to order that Shurline scale this week - that way, as loads change I can make sure I'm still within safe specs. I'm also going to keep a close watch on the hitch receiver itself - the truck spent half its life in northern New York State, and road salt has taken its toll. The trailer is a weight that the truck has never pulled before, and the weight-distributing Equalizer hitch is putting new stresses on as well. That combo could be a recipe for cracks and metal failure which wouldn't end well.

Anyone have info or opinions on the Shurline scales?
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Welcome.

I'm not sure you NEED the tongue scale as there are a couple methods you can use - one physical with a bathroom scale and other items you can easily source and another mathematical based on a procedure at the cat scales (I started a thread on that in here somewhere and got some very good info).

I'm also not sure you need to weigh it every time. A few good baseline measures and you'll have a sense for what's impacting it overall - perhaps one good new sets of weights every year to keep an eye on things and you should be good. All my opinion and worth everything you paid for it.

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As for your receiver - there are some here who have upgraded to something more heavy duty to have that extra capacity and to avoid a failure in waiting (if you think it might be weakened from salt corrosion).
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Thanks, Alan!

I think I'm going to order that Shurline scale this week - that way, as loads change I can make sure I'm still within safe specs. I'm also going to keep a close watch on the hitch receiver itself - the truck spent half its life in northern New York State, and road salt has taken its toll. The trailer is a weight that the truck has never pulled before, and the weight-distributing Equalizer hitch is putting new stresses on as well. That combo could be a recipe for cracks and metal failure which wouldn't end well.

Anyone have info or opinions on the Shurline scales?
I fought spending the money for the Sherline scale for several years. I used the bathroom scale method for a long time, but it was mostly a pain in the rear.
The Sherline is accurate, quick, and compact. A bit on the expensive side, but worth it for piece of mind.

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When I arrived at the selling dealership, I had a Shureline scale to see where we were on the tongue weight issue.

Just for reference, our 2013 25FB International Serenity had an Airstream literature tongue weight of 833 pounds. The dealer had installed street side and rear awnings and a 150 watt solar panel on the roof and filled the stock propane tanks. We installed the Hensley hitch head and put some water in the tank.

Then we checked the weight. It was 1,150 pounds. When I got the trailer home and went across the CAT scales, that number was verified.

Our Classic had a literature tongue weight of 773 pounds. After installing the ProPride hitch head and our solar system with four 92 pound batteries on the front of the trailer, tongue weight is now 1,345 pounds verified by my individual wheel scales and the Cat scales.

I suggest a trip across the scales will either put your mind at ease or encourage research on an alternative hitch for your truck.
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switz, how do you reconcile exceeding the 1,000# Airstream factory weight limit for the tongue of your trailer with your concern for numbers?

I don't think there is a need for an alternative hitch to a ProPride/Hensley hitch, there are safety advantages to be lost in control of the truck and trailer. Wouldn't it be wise to take the truck to a good hitch shop and have them evaluate or change the receiver that is on there now?
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