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Old 11-30-2018, 10:48 PM   #15
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There is no AND statement for towing capacity and range. The Model X range towing a 22FB is a fraction of what it is without. The laws of physics apply to both, sadly. As I would personally love an ETV.
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If, and this is a really big if, they can really deliver a electric vehicle that will tow my 27 ft FC 400 miles in all conditions, cold and heat and mountains, then it would be on my short list.

My electric bike, which I quite like, promises me a 93 mile range when it's fully charged. 45 miles later, the battery is depleted. I know, apples and oranges, but it's easy to promise stuff.

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I know that promises in these situation are not always fulfilled. I am very hopeful that these Rivian people can do it or, at least, come close. It is about time for a viable EV. This is the first EV company to even talk about towing a trailer. The technology is available. The Big Three don't seem to be really serious about doing it.

As far as performance promises fulfilled goes, in the early part of the 20th Century there was a company called the Detroit Elactric Car Company. Detroit Electric claimed an 80 mile range on a sigle charge. A number of independent tests were conducted. One test got 211.3 miles on a single chgarge. Clara Ford (Henry Ford's wife) drove a Detroit Electric into the 1920's. In 1908 she purchased a Detrot Electric Model C Coupe which was equipped with a special child seat for Edsel. She owned several of the vehicles.

I have always had an interest in electric vehicles. I am hopeful that there will soon be an EV that can tow my Airstream.

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I agree, Brian. If they can deliver it, I would be quite interested.

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We feel good enough about the Rivian that we have already placed a preorder for the R1S and sent in our deposit. Our youngest son, who was ready to buy a Tesla, has done the same.

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I would love to see these hit the market and meet the price and performance targets but I suspect this will follow a similar path as the pre-announced $35k Tesla model 3. I put in my $1k deposit and reservation for that but reality is it is around $60k today. I am likely to request my refund soon. Time will tell.
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I would love to see these hit the market and meet the price and performance targets but I suspect this will follow a similar path as the pre-announced $35k Tesla model 3. I put in my $1k deposit and reservation for that but reality is it is around $60k today. I am likely to request my refund soon. Time will tell.

I agree. I'm hoping for the best, but not counting on it. The main thing that gives me some hope for this venture is that Rivian has already purchased and is refitting the former Mitsubishi Plant in Normal, Illinois.

The time for a viable EV has come. Maybe these are the people who can pull it off.

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The time for a viable EV has come. Maybe these are the people who can pull it off.

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I strongly agree with the first sentence. I donít agree with the second, but only because I donít think it will be any one manufacturer. It will be a competitive market, with improvements coming from all sides. We are seeing rapid and concurrent development now. This is why I donít understand the references to Elon Musk when discussing the future of EVs. He is just one player. A significant one in the early stages, maybe or maybe not in the long run.

Happy to hear you are willing to consider this product.
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I'll probably get this Rivian pickup truck or the Tesla pickup truck in 5-10 years to replace my RAM Power Wagon. That should give sufficient time for the bugs on the new electric trucks to get worked out.
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Another plus for Rivian is that the CEO seems to be a solid guy.
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Electric vehicles

Battery miles are a function of weight/load carried. The truck with the large battery pack states 400 mile range, that would be with only a driver and no load. Now add a trailer, you increase load and just as importantly air resistance so miles goes way down

With my diesel tow vehicle I get 30 mpg highway driving (for real, I track all fillups) but when I add my 17í 3500 lb trailer to the load my mileage drops to 18-22 depending on flat land or hills

With my 27í 5000 lb vintage AS, mileage goes to 10-13 mpg. Itís all a matter of energy used and batteries have a fixed amount of energy so I expect I would only get about 135 miles with an electric truck carrying that load

I expect an electric vehicle will also lose miles range in a similar manner, except it will get some power back with regenerative braking.

As for the electric bike comment, I also have them and their miles listing is usually based on a 100 lb rider on flat terrain. The bikes weigh about 45 lbs so thatís a total load of 145 lbs. now put a big guy like me (250lb) on that bike and now the total load is nearly 300 lbs. As expected I only get about half the miles they advertise on a charge, but I accept that.

Nearly all electric bikes donít have regenerative braking so they never get any power back but electric cars do
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If only Tesla made a more conventional style SUV instead of the X. Not sure about the new company, though. Many have tried, many have died. It's tough to build a car company.
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We just viewed several YouTubes on the Rivian Electric Trucks. We were very impressed with what we saw. These truck were just introduced at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The have already produced prototypes for road testing.

These vehicles are powered by separate electric motors on each wheel. The electric motors produce 800 horse power and 14,000 Newton Meters of torque. The driving range is up yo 400 miles on a single charge.

Rivian will produce a crew cab pick-up and a seven passenger SUV. The spec the pick-up to have a 1,700# payload and an 11,000# towing capacity. The price range will be between $50,000 and $70,000. Rivian expects to start selling trucks in the second half of 2020.

I have not been so impressed by anything automotive in a very long time. These things could actually tow an Airstream.

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Sounds good as long as I don't have to subsidize your purchase.
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I can see it as s commuter as in, home every night... maybe. But cross country donít think so. If I was serious and it made it, Iíd give a few years to work out the bugs and see if the company survives.
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Sounds good as long as I don't have to subsidize your purchase.

I did some research on the Federal Tax Credit for EVs. The credit did survive the new Tax Law, but there is a cap on the number of tax credits. It limits it to the first 200,000 vehicles from each manufacturer. I understand that Tesla is already approaching that number. I'm not counting on the EV tax credit still being available by the time the first Rivians are delivered to consumers.


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