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Old 07-25-2016, 01:17 PM   #15
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When said 5000 miles you weren't rounding! Thanks for the write up. Is your truck a XLT?
I do not see any XLT branding, so I assume not.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:24 PM   #16
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I'm relatively new to Airstream towing but I have what I think is a combination pretty similar to this one with a very similar F150 and a 29' Sovereign. I don't have any trouble getting my rig leveled out with the weight transfer hitch so I'm confused by the mention of 'leveling' the rig with airbags. What's up with this? Thanks.
Here is how I was instructed to do this, and the inches may be slightly off since I am going from memory. If I measure the front tire from the ground to the top of wheel well I get approximately 37" and if I measure the rear tire from the ground to top of wheel well I get roughly 41". I then connect the trailer and inflate airbags to achieve roughly these same measurements. Hopefully this makes sense.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:29 PM   #17
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I have a similar truck a couple of years older. If you have the heavy duty tow package there is a Tow Haul switch you engage on the gearshift. With that engaged all you do is tap your brake and the engine brake downshifting works automatically. It also manages the turbos, engine and trans cooling and keeps things from overheating. It works like a charm.
I the beginning I tried to do all that manually and I had the trans and engine overheat on a very steep long climb.
I do have that, and it worked beautifully on uphill climbs but on downhill I had to handle in manually or my speed increased too much.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:31 PM   #18
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For what its worth, I also installed Firestone airbags on my 2012 Ecoboost. I ended up removing them after a few trips because they were limiting the suspension travel and with higher psi the ride was way to stiff. I replaced them with the Road master spring setup and now the truck rides like a dream with the Trailer behind it and it levels beautifully every time regardless how I load the truck. I have the Blue Ox hitch.
Sounds like a great setup!
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:40 PM   #19
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Here is how I was instructed to do this, and the inches may be slightly off since I am going from memory. If I measure the front tire from the ground to the top of wheel well I get approximately 37" and if I measure the rear tire from the ground to top of wheel well I get roughly 41". I then connect the trailer and inflate airbags to achieve roughly these same measurements. Hopefully this makes sense.
Have you checked your TV axle weights? I would think this process might result in an overload of the TV rear axle. May not be a problem, depending on truck's payload rating and tow package. I use the same measurement technique, but control the loading with the WD hitch. If result is not level, then I move the hitch ball up or down and do it all again until I get proper wheel well heights and a level arrangement. When I did it this way on my 25 the axle loads were acceptable. I haven't done it yet with my 30 and the 2500 TV.

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If you had to make the same trip tomorrow would you want to do it with the Cummins or ecoboost?
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:50 PM   #21
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Thanks for your post. We're awaiting arrival of F150 and Looking forward to a similar trip this fall leaving from beautiful Wisconsin.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:54 PM   #22
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I run the firestone bags under my ancient 2000 expedition. My expedition only had coil springs and gas shocks from the factory so a helping hand was severely needed. We run at 35psi if it's just the wife, dogs and myself and at 45psi if the children and their extra gear are along for the ride. We also have spring over gas shocks on the rear. I'm a little surprised that ecoboost is only getting 11 mpg while towing. As long as I keep the speed at 70 our 5.4 with 3.73 gears is turning 13 mpg according to the computer. I had to give up my diesel f250 lariat after a back injury deminished my half of the family income to near zip. Pulling our trailer with the 3/4 ton was reason enough for us to look at different suspension set ups on a 1/2 ton vehicle. The bags made the ride very comparable between the two and I'm pretty sure our fuel bills have dropped with the expedition. The 6.0 in my 2006 fx4 was turning out 14 to 15 mpg while towing. With the difference in gas and diesel prices 1 to 2 mpg makes me question if the extra costs of a diesel are worth it.
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I also installed the air bags. Not so much for leveling but also for a little cushion for the trailer.
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Old 07-25-2016, 03:48 PM   #24
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For what it's worth, the turbo 'EcoBoost' engine is as good as it gets.
It's ancient technology first used by the Germans inWW2
.because they didn't have 'TetraEthyl lead' compound that reduces engine knock under high boost, C/R and so on
So they used direct injection to get around the 'knock problem'.
My Ford Eco'B is snappy when I need it, reasonably fuel efficient in normal use; and I can cruise at the most efficient torque speed which is 2500 RPM.
This allows all the ancillary services to operate at a good speed, and the engine doesn't 'bog' when power is called for.
I very much like it; but of course' I'm a retired Cdn licenced aircraft mechanic; an A.M.E.
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I wasn't knocking the ecoboost, I am just surprised the economy dropped so much towing. I have a restored 1986 mustang svo with the 2.3 turbo Intercooled and direct injected. In its current tune it's pumping 315hp and almost 350ftlbs of torque to the rear wheels. Of course I've never towed anything with the Mustang but know that the mileage suffers when the right foot gets heavy and the turbo really starts spinning. I would have thought with the ecoboost hitting it's best numbers at a lower rpm that the towing mileage would have been a bit better than a naturally aspirated 5.4.
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I would have thought with the ecoboost hitting it's best numbers at a lower rpm that the towing mileage would have been a bit better than a naturally aspirated 5.4.
I dare say it would be, if it was putting out the same hp at the time. Thing is, many vote with the throttle and decide to use the hp available, and that takes fuel.
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Interesting post. We have an F-150 equipped like yours on order now for about 8 weeks. Still waiting. I was planning to go to the dealer and try to find a truck similar to ours to check the door sticker for payload rating. The various models and accessories all have different payloads.
Is your truck an XLT, Lariat, or Platinum, ...?
Thanks for providing the photos.
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Have you checked your TV axle weights? I would think this process might result in an overload of the TV rear axle. May not be a problem, depending on truck's payload rating and tow package. I use the same measurement technique, but control the loading with the WD hitch. If result is not level, then I move the hitch ball up or down and do it all again until I get proper wheel well heights and a level arrangement. When I did it this way on my 25 the axle loads were acceptable. I haven't done it yet with my 30 and the 2500 TV.

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If you are struggling with leveling your TV rear end I would highly recommend the Roadmaster Spring set up. It will solve a host of problems and works like a charm and easy to install. Anyone with a floor jack and stands and basic mechanical skills can do it. Not only do they help with leveling the load they also eliminate axle wrap on those concrete washboard roads. I am on my second season using it and swear by it. As I noted above I went the air bag route first but they don't work very well on the F-150 suspension set up.
BTW I do have the slightly used complete Firestone Airbags I removed, if anyone is interested they can have them for the price of shipping cost from Naperville Il.
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