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Proton · 02-27-2018, 01:48 PM

Chrysler announced it would discontinue small diesels in the U.S. as of 2020 ie 3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel engine made in Italy by VM Motori. Speaking to our local dealer they are not carrying any of these. My concern will be an orphaned engine which will be expensive to maintain. We have 60K on ours with only the DEF injector needing to be cleaned at this point. Just take this into account when considering a purchase as they are selling in the used market for less than gas engines even though there was a 5K premium on the original purchase.

utahredrock · 02-27-2018, 02:23 PM

This is not accurate. They announced they will stop offering diesel cars in Europe. Also, with 100,000-plus EcoDiesels out there, it's not going to be an orphaned engine any time soon.

See this article from yesterday:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ines-is-cloudy

"Ram and Jeep have separately confirmed that diesel engines would return in its new pickup and Wrangler, respectively."

Don't abandon ship yet.

utahredrock · 02-27-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rzrbrn

Thank you for posting the payload capacity.

It never occurred to me when I bought the Tundra that payload capacity would be so greatly impacted by a fiberglass camping shell (215 lbs), bed slide (225 lbs), and weight of WDH. It being a 4x4 also reduces the payload capacity. Then you have to subtract the hitch weight, it my case about 500 lbs. The Tundra has a very small gas tank, so I really have to carry (and have needed) an extra 5 gallon container. I also carry a 10 lb propane tank for my outdoor grill. All this BEFORE I start loading the truck with "essential" camping gear.

I am going through my stuff yet again to reduce what I put in the truck box and under the seats to minimize what I take. But I can see the handwriting on the wall...I will probably have to get a bigger truck.

I was really hoping this small diesel would do the trick, but it does not look like it has enough payload capacity to suit by needs.

But what a neato truck, I envy you.

Sounds like you need at least a 3/4 ton!

wbrisett · 02-28-2018, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by utahredrock

This is not accurate. They announced they will stop offering diesel cars in Europe. Also, with 100,000-plus EcoDiesels out there, it's not going to be an orphaned engine any time soon.

It is interesting to see how different vendors are going with Diesels.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabue.../#ad19c94c2dd8

This article came out in the summer, but I think it shows a different mindset. Whether this will hold remains to be seen.

wbrisett · 02-28-2018, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rzrbrn

I was really hoping this small diesel would do the trick, but it does not look like it has enough payload capacity to suit by needs.

Which is exactly the conclusion I came to myself, and I was really looking hard at the EcoDiesels by RAM. At the end of the day, I ended up with a ¾ ton.

ForestStranger · 02-28-2018, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Proton

Chrysler announced it would discontinue small diesels in the U.S. as of 2020 ie 3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel engine made in Italy by VM Motori. Speaking to our local dealer they are not carrying any of these. My concern will be an orphaned engine which will be expensive to maintain. We have 60K on ours with only the DEF injector needing to be cleaned at this point. Just take this into account when considering a purchase as they are selling in the used market for less than gas engines even though there was a 5K premium on the original purchase.

The below market value you mention for our JGC diesels will most likely factor into the negotiations being led by Ken Feinstein between Fiat Chrysler and JGC diesel plaintiffs. My guess is the 104,000 JGC & RAM diesel owners will eventually get a check in the mail covering the premium we paid. Our 2014 was a late 2013 build and it has had several warranty fixes on the entire exhaust system. But it is an awesome tow vehicle!

Proton · 02-28-2018, 07:56 AM

That was accord.ing to our local new station. Hard to tell what is going on with FCA and the justice Dept/EPA and also in Europe with small diesels. Also, just a side note, I do my own oil change ordering thru Amazon both filter and Oil. It costs around $80. Since 15W-40 Shell Rotella Low Ash is approved it is now around $60. NAPA also told me they can get the filters for $30. My dealer wants $250

sbowman · 02-28-2018, 03:32 PM

Land Rover has come out w/a new modular engine plat form gas/ diesel, Ingenium. 2 liter.

Diesel 150, 180, 240 HP. Torque between 280 and 369. Mileage est. 26/30/28. New design can weigh 175lbs less than current Ford Diesel being used.

Audi who is owned by VW has been building diesels for years. Audi was the 1st to put a diesel in their cars running 24 Hrs. Le Mans. They won 8 years in a row. No one could touch them.

I digress, sorry.

Know couple people who have the RAM EcoDiesel. Mileage is great, they love them, however the grunt is lacking and you have to put your foot into it and the mileage goes down real fast.

Being a diesel person, what I know, bigger is better. Cummins current 6.7 is the cats meow. They also appear to be the most reliable from what I have read. The basic design thought is same as when Dodge started using them. It seems all the others change design every few years. Not sure why? Not saying the others are not good. Just saying what I have seen and heard over time w/diesels being used in what was once called a pick-up truck.

Best regards and safe travels

Jim Flower · 02-28-2018, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Proton

That was accord.ing to our local new station. Hard to tell what is going on with FCA and the justice Dept/EPA and also in Europe with small diesels. Also, just a side note, I do my own oil change ordering thru Amazon both filter and Oil. It costs around $80. Since 15W-40 Shell Rotella Low Ash is approved it is now around $60. NAPA also told me they can get the filters for $30. My dealer wants $250

I also do my own oil changes since the service outlets were becoming a little greedy. Oil filter on line, $4.67 plus shipping to Canada resulted in about $11.00 loonies. Same price for the T6 oil as you.
Jim

Rzrbrn · 03-01-2018, 02:09 AM

I am thinking about the Ram with the Cummins 6.7L diesel. I read somewhere that it does not require DEF, but I am not certain now that is correct.

Sbowman stated "The basic design thought is same as when Dodge started using them".

I expect a newer diesel might be designed to not require DEF, but not an old design.

utahredrock · 03-01-2018, 07:27 AM

Report: The Missing 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesels Are Coming

Or are they?

As of today, March 1, the 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesels are missing in action and there is a lot of contradictory information about their status.

Two days ago, auto journalist Tim Esterdahl heard from his contact at Ram who said there are "no issues with the EPA. The 2018 EcoDiesel is certified. They just haven’t hit dealer lots due to the production mix at the factory."

Here's my full post: http://www.utahredrock.com/2018/03/r...codiesels.html

sbowman · 03-01-2018, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rzrbrn

I am thinking about the Ram with the Cummins 6.7L diesel. I read somewhere that it does not require DEF, but I am not certain now that is correct.

Sbowman stated "The basic design thought is same as when Dodge started using them".

I expect a newer diesel might be designed to not require DEF, but not an old design.

Apologize, was not clear, trying to stay out of the weeds. Inline 6 past and current. Technology, competition between MFG's, and regulations have shape what Cummins is putting out currently. Yes on DEF on the 6.7 being used in RAM. Do not know on the EcoDiesel.

Best regards and safe travels

Bill M. · 03-01-2018, 08:38 AM

"I am thinking about the Ram with the Cummins 6.7L diesel. I read somewhere that it does not require DEF, but I am not certain now that is correct."

The newer Cummins diesels use DEF. Simply put, you do not want to buy a diesel now that does not use DEF.

Rzrbrn · 03-02-2018, 02:47 AM

Thank you Bill M. That is what I need to know.

n2916s · 03-02-2018, 07:17 AM

DEF is a minor annoyance. I just buy the Blue Def and carry one with me. On my Titan, the fill is next to the fuel fill so it is easy-peasy. Don't let the need for DEF color your TV choice.

ForestStranger · 03-02-2018, 08:33 AM

As of today, March 1, the 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesels are missing in action and there is a lot of contradictory information about their status.

Two days ago, auto journalist Tim Esterdahl heard from his contact at Ram who said there are "no issues with the EPA. The 2018 EcoDiesel is certified. They just haven’t hit dealer lots due to the production mix at the factory."

Here's my full post: http://www.utahredrock.com/2018/03/r...codiesels.html[/QUOTE]

Here is the link to the EPA vs FCA.

http://cand.uscourts.gov/emc/chryslermdl

Scroll to the bottom .pdf 2/12/2018. Testing on 2014-2016 diesels continues, with the next hearing April/May. FCA is proposing to flash the older diesels with software EPA approved on the 2018s. In the meantime, Ken Feinstein is mediating between the two litigants for a solution for consumers. Reading between the lines, it appears the new flash will reduce MPG and make engines run rough and more noise.