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Old 05-08-2014, 12:31 PM   #15
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The payload of the Touareg is 1462lbs. Payload for the Tundra is actually less, 1,410 for the double cab (1320 for the crew cab) - you'll run into the very same problems.

If payload is the differentiator that's important to you (it is to me), the Tundra will not solve your problems, despite the impressive towing pictures on Toyota's website.

Now, just as with the Touareg, there are many who swear by towing their Airstreams with the Tundra. Both appear to be capable vehicles, but make no mistake, they are almost identical in specs.
Based on VW USA website, Touraeg V6 TDI has a payload of 1156. Here is the link: Touareg | Volkswagen

Based on Toyota USA website, a Tundra Limited Crewcab, has a payload of 1410. Here is the link: Toyota Tundra Interior, Exterior & Safety Features

You get 254# more of payload with Tundra Limited. If you pick a lower trim Tundra, you get payloads up to 1550. The Touareg I cited is the lowest trim -- you cannot improve on that.
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Old 05-08-2014, 12:37 PM   #16
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Here is a screen shot of Touareg TDI specs from VW USA website.
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Old 05-08-2014, 12:55 PM   #17
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Stop your bickering...you're both right. As with any vehicle or truck the payload changes between engines, models, accessories and years. Touaregs have weight capacities anywhere between 1462 and 1135 lbs. I'm sure a Tundra has a same amount of differences.
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Old 05-08-2014, 01:01 PM   #18
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Strange - I took mine from the Canadian website, asuming they'd be identical: 2014 Touareg Features & Specs | Volkswagen Canada

Touareg TDi ( a preferred towing vehicle): 1395.53lbs
Touareg Base: 1461.66lbs

No nefariousness intended, promise. But whichever way you wish to skin that cat, the differences are too small to make one vehicle more or less capable than the other.
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I tow a 25 foot 1998 airstream with a 2010 touareg tdi and a member of the "you tow this with that???" club.

I like the way it tow, powerful, smooth and economical... 17 mpg on my last 7000 km trip.

But my trailer weight is around 5700 lb ready to camping.

It is not a "fill, hitch and go" setup, I travel light and put my stuff with caution in the trailer: light stuff in front of the axel, heavy over or behind the axel. No fresh, gray or black water in the tank. Only one battery on the thong installed as close to the axel I can. I also replaced the two 30 lb propane tank with two 10 lb propane tank. There is nothing in the Touareg except human body... Trunck is empty... Really...

With this I have a thong weight of 600 lb including a Hensley hitch. I use the WD bar of my hitch even if I should probably not... A lot of opinion out there about that... Get a Hensley or a pro pride!!

I would like to need a pickup and then use it as a tow vehicle... Believe me! But I don't need one and honestly, when I am driving the F250 super duty at my job, it confirm to me that I don't want one a a daily driver...

At 25 feets I am probably at the limit of the Touareg regarding wheel base/trailer length. 27 feet is pushing a bit, especially if your are looking for a newer/heavier unit...

Good luck with your quest!
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Buck944 - been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, good post...
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Stop your bickering...you're both right. As with any vehicle or truck the payload changes between engines, models, accessories and years. Touaregs have weight capacities anywhere between 1462 and 1135 lbs. I'm sure a Tundra has a same amount of differences.
Thanks again for all the opinions and information.

From a pure payload perspective either vehicle would probably be just fine. The 27' International weights 7600 lbs wet, leaving plenty of room for bodies and a little extra luggage.

I think my issue is one of control and comfort. We'll be taking a year from work to travel Canada and the USA. The TV and TT won't be used weekends only, its got to take us around North America for a year. Up and down mountains etc.

My preference would be to have an SUV, kids in the back seat, dog in hatch area. Safer for the kids, as our 80 lb lab won't launch through the car.

For that same reason, I want to make sure the TT doesn't drag the TV off the road in strong winds, or while being passed by a semi or driving down a mountain. I've seen it happen a few times, and the trip is not worth taking if we don't come back safe. Safety is number one with our family.
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I honestly would not worry about that with an Airstream, especially if you're using a Hensley or Propride hitch. I don't even feel trucks coming by with my setup, which uses a Hensley.
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With any of the German SUVs if you are putting more than the recommended weight on the tongue get it reinforced. If you are using WDH get it reinforced. I took my 2014 ML350 to Andy at CanAm who reinforced the hitch, completely setup (re-configured) the Reese Dual Cam receiver assembly using a new 25' FB he had in stock and installed the brake controller. He also added a friction brake setup but I have not felt the need to use it. I have towed extensively with it including extreme high wind warnings coming back from Phoenix in April without any issues.
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VW head of new cars not knowledgeable?

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I was just at the VW dealer looking at a 2014 Touareg as a potential TV and bypassed the sales team to speak with the head of "New Cars". I explained that I wanted to use the Touareg to tow an airstream and he was really hesitant about the idea. He straight up said without me asking, that VW would not warranty and did not recommend it be used with a weight distribution hitch. He said the Touareg, like most modern SUVs has a unibody frame design, and a weight distribution hitch could actually twist the frame. The new units have standard rear suspension, not air suspension. He said the Touareg was rated for 7700 pounds towing, and 770 lbs on the hitch, but wouldn't recommend me towing anything over 22', maybe 23'. He said that would be pushing it as the wheel base is short. He was actually very knowledgable about towing, I believe he use to head up a truck dealership or something. I was actually really impressed with his professionalism, he said he'd love to sell me a car, but not if it wasn't going to work for what I needed. No BS.

Would love to hear what others know. I was really hoping to buy a Touareg to two a 27' international but I just don't think its in the cards. I don't want to twist the frame, or get pulled off the road without the use of a weight distribution hitch. I think I'm going to have to look at a Tundra.

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all the information I can find on the 2014 Touareg states that the tongue weight is a max 616lbs..and actually looking on the sticker of the hitch shows two weights.. tongue weight of 616lbs and weight distribution hitch weight max of 616lbs.

I wonder how much accurate information you received from the "head of new cars"

I suggest you take a look at this thread:maxing out tow capacity with travel trailer - Page 6 - Club Touareg Forums

included are pics of mods to the touareg by Can Am Rv which increases tongue weight to over 1000lbs (unofficially)
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Makes you wonder...if they set the towing capacity at 7700# and the European standard is 8% (616#) and the US standard is 10% (770#), perhaps they just don't convert those capacities too well when putting stickers on hitches.

Europeans do not use WD hitches. So how can the capcity be 616# with or without WD?

First generation Touaregs.
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When I was looking for my TV I stayed away from the Touareg because the manual specifically states not to use a Weight Distributing Hitch in a couple of places as I remember. While the ML350 hitch still is underrated and needs to be reinforced it does not expressly state not to use WDH. One could argue what the diff but it was just a concern on my end.
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