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Old 03-26-2019, 11:06 AM   #57
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So the first 150 lbs of the driver is part of the curb weight? So the weight of the driver over the first 150 lbs counts as payload? That actually makes sense.

And if the TV is a pickup it is probably okay not to count the 200 lbs or so that is transferred to the front axle by the WD in the payload? Also makes sense.

Why am I interested in these details? considering dropping back from a 3/4 ton to a half ton if I have to change TV. Looks like it will be fine with my trailer adding 800 lbs to the TV weight when hitched. 1400 lbs or so of payload should be fine.

I wonder where the "payload sensor" is on the new Dodges and if the WD actually removes some of the load from it?
Payload does not include the driver...you need to consider all the passengers, driver, dog, kids, and any additional weight you carry in your TV as "your payload" if you care to be within mfg. specs... You may want to consider the weight of a generator at least 45-95lbs, (depending on which one you choose), camp gear or extra gear like bbq grill, extra gas/propane you may carry, any firewood? You can easily eat up 1400lbs with the tongue weight and hitch weight. Remember also, the sticker on the door jam is the Payload for that vehicle; not a spec sheet from the dealer... If your interested, read this thread to learn more about this topic.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:37 AM   #58
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Payload does not include the driver...you need to consider all the passengers, driver, dog, kids, and any additional weight you carry in your TV as "your payload" if you care to be within mfg. specs...

I am now confused. However, I do know without a doubt that the driver is included in the GVWR of the TV.

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Old 03-26-2019, 01:12 PM   #59
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GVWR is a defined term under the FMVSS. It is allowed maximum for the vehicle plus everything you can put in or on it, so that means occupants, fuel, and cargo.

To say GVWR, and then start the next sentence with "it", making it a subject pronoun referring to GVWR, and add "plus" after that, implies that whatever, said plus is, would be added beyond the GVWR value.
Your initial statement made no mention of curb weight, which is exactly what I meant by error.
I see the confusion.

You read “(GVWR is allowed maximum for the vehicle) plus everything you can put in or on it...”

I intended “GVWR is allowed maximum for (the vehicle plus everything you can put in or on it)”

That was why there was no comma after vehicle.

Next time I will include the brackets
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Each vehicle is not weighed coming off the line. There is a generic sticker (see the part numbers printed on it) for that class but not every possible option. The actual curb weight of my truck was when I took it to the CAT scales, filled up with fuel when I got there, and stood on the scales as it was weighed.

As I made each change to the truck with undercoating, hitches, bed liner spayed on, bed cover, etc, I made a trip to the scales and watched the weight change. What was interesting was after removing all of the steel springs and their brackets front and rear and replacing them with a Kelderman air bag level ride suspension front and rear, the empty weight actually was up 50 pounds.

I load the truck per the axle ratings. The factory installed Michelin tires exceed the axle ratings so all is well. The license plate load exceeds the total of the axle ratings (12,000 vs 11,510 pound axle ratings total).
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Old 03-27-2019, 06:31 AM   #61
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I'm so glad we don't have a meaningless sticker talking about confusing 'payload' limits on our TV.🤔
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You want specs....Here 'ya go, everything you never knew you wanted to know about your vehicle.
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Dealers add stickers for the options they installed. I thought it was a law, but I could be wrong. I have a 2013 Toyota FJ and it has a sticker added for some options. I also add options to vehicles, such as the tonneau on our Tundra. There may also be stickers added for different tire sizes.

Calculating curb weight from stickers, owner’s manuals, etc., might get you a pretty accurate number, but weighing it is much more so. Fill your tank, diet down to 150 lbs., and go for it. Then find a scale, not always easy in some places.
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Dealers add stickers for the options they installed. I thought it was a law, but I could be wrong. I have a 2013 Toyota FJ and it has a sticker added for some options. I also add options to vehicles, such as the tonneau on our Tundra. There may also be stickers added for different tire sizes.

Calculating curb weight from stickers, owner’s manuals, etc., might get you a pretty accurate number, but weighing it is much more so. Fill your tank, diet down to 150 lbs., and go for it. Then find a scale, not always easy in some places.
It's a recent 'law' from headquarters.
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Calculating curb weight from stickers, owner’s manuals, etc., might get you a pretty accurate number, but weighing it is much more so. Fill your tank, diet down to 150 lbs., and go for it. Then find a scale, not always easy in some places.
I don't think the dealer will let me take a vehicle to a scale — nearest CAT scale is way out of town.

Just trying to get a relatively accurate gauge of what the truck or SUV can carry, judging by the door sticker. Now, 150 pounds isn't likely to be a deal breaker, but since some of the new trucks are so light on the payload, it does matter when calculating the fudge factor — I don't want to be right on the limit.

I could ask the folks in the dealer showroom, but ... as best I can tell, they actually know little about the vehicles they sell.
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I don't think the dealer will let me take a vehicle to a scale — nearest CAT scale is way out of town.

Just trying to get a relatively accurate gauge of what the truck or SUV can carry, judging by the door sticker. Now, 150 pounds isn't likely to be a deal breaker, but since some of the new trucks are so light on the payload, it does matter when calculating the fudge factor — I don't want to be right on the limit.

I could ask the folks in the dealer showroom, but ... as best I can tell, they actually know little about the vehicles they sell.
Couple points: your right; don't ask/trust the "folks in the dealer showroom about specs."! Your right; they typically don't know "sh...from shine-ola" ; especially when talking about Payload! Check out the sticker in the door jam of the vehicle you are looking at...that's the only method I know of where you will get pretty accurate numbers for given vehicle; not on the internet, not on the spec sheet, and certainly not form the sales guys! And don't forget; payload includes everyone and everything you plan to carry, including driver, wife, girlfriend, kids, dog, parakeet, lizard, spiders, generator, kayaks, canoe, racks, gas, firewood, bbq,.....wait, did I leave something out?? Oh, and you don't need to take the vehicle to the scales for the payload...
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Also check the window sticker for dealer added options—they may not show up on a second door sticker. Then, what about what you may add? Tonneau or camper top are common additions. I figured 100 lbs. for the tonneau and am sure a camper top weighs more than that.

With scores of models for each brand and multiple brands to sell, you really can't expect the sales staff to know a gazillion numbers, but shouldn't they find it out for you? If they do, can you trust them? They have to go to frequent sales meetings and get the push to sell, not the push to be honest.

I don't think you need to add both wife and girlfriend as gypsydad suggests—in fact if you try to bring both, you may end up with neither and save weight. Depends on your goals.
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And your living arrangements...

Let’s keep this inclusive! 🤨
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I agree about incusivity. Bring as many wives and girlfriends as you want.

When trucks drive themselves, will curb weight include the guy who used to drive?
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Just keep in mind the Chinese character for “trouble” translates as “two women under one roof” which is what it actually looks like.
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Ahh... Jocularity👍

...Exactly what's needed on an overloaded payload thread.😂
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