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Old 08-18-2014, 04:33 PM   #29
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Old 08-18-2014, 05:05 PM   #30
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What evidence/research supports this? Or is this just your opinion on what's actually happening inside the engine?
Close friend of mine, business owner, had a Chevy 3/4 ton dually gas engine pickup that he used for weekly round trips from just North of Indianapolis to Detroit to deliver molds and dies for stamping and injection, sometimes pulling a trailer when the load was to large for the bed. He wore the engine out. He changed the engine to diesel and got better gas mileage and drove that truck for several more years before selling it. Had he not made the change to diesel, he would had to purchase a new vehicle.
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In my experience,,, just mine,,, as a rule,,, when I have worn out the gas engines in my Chevys and Fords, the bodies and interiors are pretty well worn.

I have priced the notion of changing my dads 04 6.0 Ford to a Cummins, but the swap will cost a minimum of 20K, so the idea is tabled at the moment. Too bad, the truck itself is in great shape for a ten year old truck with less than 50K on the odometer.

Ford could never make it run right for more than a few weeks at a time, and neither can I.
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Close friend of mine, business owner, had a Chevy 3/4 ton dually gas engine pickup that he used for weekly round trips from just North of Indianapolis to Detroit to deliver molds and dies for stamping and injection, sometimes pulling a trailer when the load was to large for the bed. He wore the engine out. He changed the engine to diesel and got better gas mileage and drove that truck for several more years before selling it. Had he not made the change to diesel, he would had to purchase a new vehicle.
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Anecdotal at best. That's not proof that gas engines wear more while towing.
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Old 08-18-2014, 07:27 PM   #33
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Wow...quite a spectrum of experience and data. I'm sure this is an old debate but I was just trying to cut to the chase regarding this Titan that is sitting in a lot a few miles away and posted the question. I was hoping to get a clear cut verdict but both camps make good arguments. I will be exploring a lot of the western states on both sides of the Rockies and between them and the Cascades but do not need to speed up the hills. With my budget, I'll have to settle for an older truck if I go diesel but I'll feel safer heading up grades. On the flip side, the lower price and initial miles on the gas trucks sure are tempting. I'm a total newbie when it comes to RVing and towing, and so I'm learning the choice of the right AS was easy compared to the right TV. Darn, right now it's the second quarter and the score is tied.
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Old 08-18-2014, 07:49 PM   #34
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That's funny. It has been just the opposite in my business.

The Rams are pieces of c#$p that will nickel and dime you to death with transmission, differential, brakes, various truck problems, no real engine problems. Where as my Fords have been work horses with practically no problems what-so-ever. Ford makes a much better heavy duty truck in my opinion.
In Dodge's defense, they have improved in quality since about 2004.
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Wow...quite a spectrum of experience and data. I'm sure this is an old debate but I was just trying to cut to the chase regarding this Titan that is sitting in a lot a few miles away and posted the question. I was hoping to get a clear cut verdict but both camps make good arguments. I will be exploring a lot of the western states on both sides of the Rockies and between them and the Cascades. With my budget, I'll have to settle for an older truck if I go diesel but I'll feel safer heading up grades. On the flip side, the lower price and initial miles on the gas trucks sure are tempting. I'm a total newbie when it comes to RVing and towing, and so I'm learning the choice of the right AS was easy compared to the right TV. Darn, right now it's the second quarter and the score is tied.
So... not to keep hi-jacking your thread here. Like you, we have a love affair with the west. I considered the Dodge Ecodiesel carefully. Heck Dodge is offering 0% financing. I'm not huge on debt, but seriously, 0%, why not leverage some debt?

Anyhow... back on track here. One point to consider, out west and up towards the North West in some areas Diesel does actually become harder to find if you venture further away from civilization and major interstate truck routes. It also can become more expensive in some areas as opposed to others. This gets kind of glanced over because the trend in the RV/Trailing community is older folks who tend to travel closer to civilization.

This gets discussed quite a bit over on the expo forums as overlanders like to discuss the merits of diesel vs gas. And in the US availability becomes a talking point there. I got to see this up close over some of my past travels, I built an Adventure Mobile that pulls an offroad trailer and traveled all over the West, it suited my wife and dog before we had kids. But I had to bring extra gas tanks and there where some hairy places in Utah where we exited a park and just barely made it to a gas station.


Now an upside is that with Diesels you can get overflow tanks that sit in the bed if it becomes a real concern and usually you're getting better MPG anyways. Gassers aren't allowed gravity tanks.

I just wanted to play devils advocate and talk about that point. Plus post pictures of my other hobby.

I think you've been loaded with more than enough info to make a decision on your own.
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All half ton trucks are capable of towing any AS of less than 31 feet. The difference is the load you put in the truck. This is what is important. If you exceede the GVWR the truck will be much more expensive to drive. A friend of mine is carrying a 2000 pounds truck camper and trailer an 18 foot fishing boat with a F150 equiped with the turbo gas engine and it is costing him 3000 to 4000$ a year to maintain since the warranty is over. The two turbo were replaced on the warranty and one is due for replacement again.
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I can quote a lot of horror stories about diesels that have cost their owners a lot more than that.

I've owned a diesel since I bought it new in 1996, and it's still going strong. However, I wouldn't buy a new diesel today, with its diesel particulate filter, exhaust gas recirculaton, urea fluid injection and all other related environmental necessities. They're just too complicated to have an economic advantage over the gasoline option today.
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:14 PM   #38
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I've owned a Nissan Titan , same one . Great for 50k then crumbled. Literally . Leaf spring shackle up through the bed of truck . skid plate fell off. - . Front Left wheel bearing. Whole hub assembly was replaced. - ball joint -Transfer case replaced. - front differential replaced. front right hub assembly replaced. - . Last straw ??? front axle popped out of front differential and dealer said it was because I have the habit of backing into a parking space and turn wheels too sharp ( not in 4WD ) oh and Nissan did nothing for me other than Bill for repair.
Other than that truck I have had a gas Ford f250 since I was 20 . So I can't speak for diesel and kinda maybe sorta wish I had got one this time ......Present one is a 2015 . First truck @18 was a ranger . Been happy with them . Enough said.
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Just so I wil know, what is the payload (the sitcker on the door number) of a Nissan diesel truck?
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Why I prefer 1/2 ton gasser: Smoother ride, better gas mileage when empty ( which is about 90% of the time ) Insurance cost is lower, lower maintenance & repair cost. A 1/2 ton when set up properly will do a fine job. 3/4 ton Gas or Diesel is nice for towing but there are trade offs either way you go.
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I can't believe I posted to this thread two years ago and I am still towing my 31' Sovereign with the same old 2004 Titan. Has 207000 miles on it now. Had to do a third set of plugs this year and the front bearings... Everything works except the CD player.

Definitely going to by a Titan XD this December? Haven't decided on gas/diesel yet. The gasser has lots more payload and is 5 grand cheaper. On the other hand, the Cummins 5 liter, If cared for properly, should go more or less forever...

Nice quandary to have.
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Good idea, stick with what you know and are familiar with. Good luck, good camping.
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