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Old 11-06-2013, 04:54 PM   #71
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You have all the right equipment.
You have towed your boat.
In 30-45 minutes you will be comfortable.
No sweat.
Not to discourage you, but the lot at Foley is really tight and there are trailers everywhere- close together.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:09 PM   #72
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Good advice Jack.

On those gas stations with the store directly in front of the pumps, and there are lots of them, I look for an open end pump, circle around so the truck is facing the exit. The trailer may be in the way of the store traffic a bit, so good idea to fill up and get out as soon as you can. Turn wide when going up to and leaving the pump so the trailer clears.
Typically if I can see the pumps are too close to the building or car parking, I will do like you and circle the pumps to see if I can get the tow vehicle facing away from the building. Usually as you say, the only good pumps to do that with are the outside pumps. I won't stop unless I can get the trailer behind me clearly outside the navigation area of the parking traffic. This usually means with my 31' Classic and my tow van, I'm covering two to three pumps while only using one.

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Old 11-06-2013, 05:44 PM   #73
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Good advice Jack. On those gas stations with the store directly in front of the pumps, and there are lots of them, I look for an open end pump, circle around so the truck is facing the exit. The trailer may be in the way of the store traffic a bit, so good idea to fill up and get out as soon as you can. Turn wide when going up to and leaving the pump so the trailer clears.
what he said..
And look for a truck stop.
Murphy USA's are usually too small.
I try to fill up at home and after unhooking at the destination, but sometimes on long trips have to get gas with a 30' house in tow.
Another reason to always go to the outside pumps is so the store clerk can see all cars on all pumps. This helps prevent drive-offs and if there is a drive-off the clerk can see the vehicle to describe it to police.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:51 PM   #74
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:56 PM   #75
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Excellent points about access jack and others!!!
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For the most part you will become comfortable with maneuvering the trailer and spotting trouble areas in sort time.
My spotter (wife) helps me out quite a bit with backing into the site just so I don't back the trailer into something I cannot see.
She and I have agreed upon a system of hand signals to use for backing in a tight camping spot. At night time she will shine the flash light upon her hand so I can what's going on. She also knows to maneuver herself so I can see her in the mirrors. All done with minimal to no voice communication - works for us you will find your own system.

The only thing that still makes both of us a bit nervous is driving in heavily populated area or extremely busy urban interstates. I don't think that will ever change because it is a situation that I cannot control - other crazy drivers! I'm happy to drive extra miles out of my way to avoid these areas.
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I have backed solo...but most often my spotter...(wife) and I have a good system in place with walkie-talkies and easy to understand instructions.
-more back drivers side (swing back of trailer to drivers side)
-more front drivers side (swing front of trailer to drivers side)
-more back passenger side (etc)
-more front passenger side (etc)
-keep coming (in current direction)
-and of course Stop

This avoids any confusion about left and right....
She talks and I listen.
If any confusion...I stop, get out and check things out...people can wait a few minutes if we aare blocking traffic.
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makes sense.

we bought some cheap walkie talkies at walmart and are ready to practice...Gilmurr, I like your designated commands...may have to think about stealing those

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Old 11-12-2013, 01:14 PM   #79
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Why don't y'all use your cell phones?
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:33 PM   #80
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makes sense.

we bought some cheap walkie talkies at walmart and are ready to practice...Gilmurr, I like your designated commands...may have to think about stealing those

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You both need to learn how to hook-up, tow and backup alone. There may come a time where you or your wife will have a need to do this.
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Swing wide, use a spotter, have agreed upon signals (you'd be surprised at how many oops you'll have unless you are in synch), possibly use a radio, go slow and think about entry & exit in advance.

BTW, if you use a radio then I would suggest a constant patter from your spotter so that if their voice stops you do also until resolved...again speaking from personal experience!
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Why don't y'all use your cell phones?

signals vary, have to hold it to your ear.... can use the radios for some other fun uses including on fishing trips with my buddies, and later playing with the kids...when hiking, etc...

I may actually try with the phone and compare and contrast for sharing here in this thread later...both I presume will work...perhaps the phone will have a slight delay?

Both will work I presume just fine. I paid only 25 bucks for the set, so no huge investment....reviews were pretty good for them, should prove to be good to have - definately want them for fishing trips and other camping uses just for fun.
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i will need to teach the wife to back more and more over time...right now she will be much too skittish about it....she actually is a good driver, only 2 small fender benders in her life so far...nothing major really....we will need to practice backing with her driving and me directing...with proper signals and communication, I can tell her how to do it all and take it slow and get it done....

I doubt she will be interested for a bit at this point, but Ill grow her into it over time no prob.
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Ok, so I have 1.5 weeks until pickup of my 30' AS.

I am in the process of creating a number of checklists (kinda like my ol' dad uses when flying) to keep me and the wife straight.

I am a cautious driver...in my 14 years of driving I have not had a single accident - avoided many - lived in philly, northern VA, southwestern VA, and Birmingham, AL.

My real "anxiety" (I put it in quotes as it is not that dramatic or pronounced, rather I suppose just some healthy anxiety on the subject) lies in manuevering the AS when needing to stop somewhere unknown...say gas stations, parking lots.

Of course pulling a 30 footer I will be in no way as thoughtless as that (I hope) - but my anxiety lies in this basic concept...getting a feel about where I should and should not pull into...thinking about things like inclines that I would bottom out...or looking at the place and knowin that getting in and out would be too questionable...


I think my purpose of this thread is a bit vague as I continue to ramble on....but largely I suppose it has to do with the fact that I am so new to towing such a larger object...

I have recieved tons of great advice on this site already on this subject and feel more confident and will be appropriately cautious...its not that I am the type once on the highway to have "white knuckles" .....that is not for some reason as much what I am worried about...its the thoughts of tighter spaces that worry me...

Any useful advice appreciated....

I am really excited about pickin up soon...my excitement and confidence greatly outweight my anxieties luckily but I figure asking for some more pointers on this front could prove helpful both substantively and reducing any bits of unhealthy anxiety.


You're looking for a framework of how to make comparisons, of how to judge the results, is how I read this. How to think about it.

It is stressful, granted. Alleviation of stress is by breaking out a day of travel into shorter segments of time & distance.

Trip Planning is not so much X-miles over Y-hours as it is a series of legs to be completed. One is piloting the combined vehicle -- not just "holding the steering wheel" (a deadly trucker insult) -- via locations already mapped.

Controlling the stops (knowing them all in advance) is the key to reduced stress travel. And the determinant of where to stop is the human body. Time, not miles, therefore. Make the executive decisions in advance of departure. The dummies in my business just get in the truck and start driving . . and are likelier to be less alert and prone to mishap as a result. Switching from monkey brain (body sense) back and forth to abstract brain (so to speak) is where problems arise). This is where the men-boy separation occurs.

Two-hours to each break, for bladder relief and to walk off inicipient stiffness. A fifteen minute stop. Might not be so important early on, but the latter part of the day, it is. At the four-hour mark one needs an hour out of the vehicle and this is the time to fill up on fuel and/or have a meal. For me this is fuel at a truck stop (I recommend Flying J and Petro brands as they are car-friendly [read, wife and kid friendly]) and followed by lunch at a rest area a short distance farther ahead. Kids and ladies will need another break about an hour after a meal.

300-miles or 3 o'clock: At an average travel speed of 45-mph (all time miles from one point to another) one can cover 300-miles in 5-hours of drive time. A 6.5' trip, approx.

Each leg has a known number of acceleration and deceleration events, for the most part. Each leg has a known number of backing/parking maneuvers (even if zero) and may require GOAL (get out and look) prior to and during backing. Each leg requires a walk-around of the rig prior to departure; with only the initial one requring tightening of lug nuts and tire pressure.

Use a framework like the above to chart experience. Once a leg is completed, successfully or needs some changes, it is off to the next. The actual mechanics of driving is fairly easy (with the possible exception of RH turns, at first, as one may need to be in the second lane from the curb, etc). Take time to learn to back (you already know), but take the pressure off yourself, first.

Use a sat-view of each planned stop (need not, say, an Interstate rest area), to look at the layout of the to place to be stopped. I'd prefer fuel stops to be on the same side of the road and past any intersection for easiest re-entrance to t a highway (reduction of turns, stops, and starts). I want to know the "truck entrance" to a fuel stop, and where the exit is located as well. Finer detail is how chewed up is the road surface by stopping/starting/turning big trucks; where the newer truck stop nearby might be preferred over a favorite brand, etc.

Sounds tedious, but isn't. I can plan out a trip pretty fast (for work) based on these parameters as the truckers road atlas and some fuel retailer locations guides make it fast work (based on avg. fuel consumption, average travel speed and the need to stop at the end of every second hour). Internet access makes detail easier to accummulate. A multi-day plan may take me several hours, but that is because I also like to do this sort of planning and take pleasure in exploring alternatives in roads, stops, etc.

A framework, from which to delve into detail. Check off each leg, and don't let stress buld over a whole day . . each leg completed, start to stop, is the measure.

Plan all driving for daytime hours, and, if a longer day is needed add one leg as four hundred miles is plenty with family (or otherwise). One might start at civil twilight prior to dawn, but never drive into the dark. Make rules that work. Keep notes from observations and family feedback.

Keep the details separated from the bigger picture by breaking it out into legs travelled (as details of stopping/starting, etc, are part of that leg only).

The details of driving are separate (such as, being slowed to 55-mph before entering the Interstate exit, which means signalling about a half-mile back [concurrent with exit sign placement]), and most of them are easy when one learns to establish new habits. Braking is what matters. If I have to slam on the brakes a few times per year due to traffic, I'm not doing badly (as one measure; I covered a little over 80k the past year). Nailing the brakes several times the course of a trip is flat bad driving . . one must be willing to change. And the change is in confronting emotions in re driving practice. Be ready to confront your teenage self, in this.

So, one learns caution, and the test of caution is in followng distances. Etc. (Search posts by Protagonist on this subject and other traffic safety training as what he has posted in re this is quite good; contractor job requirement for him). FWIW I don't drive any differently solo than when towing. Or running a loaded 18-wheeler, town or country. Once one pays attention to behaviors (markers), one can more readily judge experience AND new situations.

There are markers for all of it -- to contextualize unsettling vagueness -- and your experience can be analyzed and improved to the point where ease enters in (not false confidence). We're scared of the big stuff and this leaks down into small things where it is a hindrance. That will pass, if one decides to be a tool-using mammal.

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