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Old 12-26-2012, 03:36 PM   #15
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What is your posted maximum payload?
Should be on the same sticker in door jamb
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:46 PM   #16
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What is your posted maximum payload?
Should be on the same sticker in door jamb
On my f150 6950 lbs GAWR. The truck weighs about 5800 lbs, so that give me about 1100 lbs to play with.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:07 PM   #17
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They are all different according to factory options they were ordered with.I think (and hope)it is higher than that.It should be stated exactly on the sticker that shows your GVWR.If it is only 1100# by the time you subtract your tongue weight and your WD hitch weight (that you will definitely need).You have have nothing left for passengers ,gear or propane.Also note that Ford allows 150lbs for a driver so if you weigh more than that subtract that amount from your maximum payload also.

I have already been down this road myself with my previous 2010 F150 5.4 Supercrew with max tow package and was shocked when I learned It was rated to pull almost 11,000lbs but its maximum payload capability was just 1340lbs total..
Better check the factor sticker to see what your truck was built to haul safely.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:35 PM   #18
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While you're subtracting all that from payload allowance, add back in the amount that is transferred by the weight distribution hitch. In theory up to one third of tongue weight goes to the trailer axles, but you would have to weigh it all hooked up and loaded to know the exact amount.

This was brought up in another thread here today as well, surprising it is always set aside when it is quite significant.

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Old 12-26-2012, 05:04 PM   #19
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I believe if you do some research you will find that in reality the actual weight transfer to the trailer axle will be less than 100lbs.The majority of the weight distributed is transferred to the front axle of the tow vehicle.
But either way spend a little time at the weigh station as mentioned above so you know that you can safely tow with what you have.And that you do not overload your tow vehicle.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:30 PM   #20
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Another way to think about it, which is a better handling F150?

One with 1,200# in the bed with no trailer attached (as it is designed to do).

Or one with 1,300# in the bed with an Airstream attached, and a weight distribution hitch distributing that weight among the two truck axles and the trailer axles.

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Old 12-26-2012, 06:10 PM   #21
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He would be overloaded by well over 1000lbs without passengers in your second scenario once you add the trailer tongue weight doug k.

You also never factor in a weight savings to payload from the weight distributed to the trailer axles as the trailer ball just becomes a fulcrum.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:59 PM   #22
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We had an F-150 with the 3.55 rear and it sucked big time for towing. If you never go up any mountains, you will be fine, but on any 1/2 ton pickup, IMHO the 3.73 or 4.10 is the only way to go. Also, if I were you, I would also add a Firestone airbag rear spring helper with external compressor to level your load and have better control. Not saying you can't get by with a 3.55 but instead of getting better mileage, you will get less as you will have your foot in the pedal more than not. The 5.4 gas engine and tranny is a great combination, but the 3.55 still sucks IMHO.

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Old 12-26-2012, 07:48 PM   #23
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Another way to think about it, which is a better handling F150?

One with 1,200# in the bed with no trailer attached (as it is designed to do).

Or one with 1,300# in the bed with an Airstream attached, and a weight distribution hitch distributing that weight among the two truck axles and the trailer axles.

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In a hurry today, let me try that again.

Or one with 1,300# combined bed and tongue weight . . .

The point I'm trying to make is we concern ourselves so much about tongue weight and payload. But even at the max load we have a better handling truck with a weight distribution hitch/Airstream, than the non-trailering truck at max load in the bed. The mfg weight recommendations only indicate they are equal, but in an emergency lane change, which is better?

I have done this with the Airstream attached and it just followed, little drama. Haven't tried the same maneuver with a fully loaded truck, no trailer, don't think I would want to.

So if I'm within payload allowance, I don't see a problem. Who needs to bring that parakeet anyway.

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Old 01-04-2013, 09:02 AM   #24
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I am looking at future alternatives to the current TV and one that has occupied my time the last week or so is a King Ranch model F150 with EcoBoost V6 short bed and a 3.73 rear end and Max towing package. The turbo charged engine would produce full power at all elevations, so towing through the mountains would not be negatively impacted by power degradation due to elevation like non turbocharged gasoline engines. The EcoBoost torque rating in foot pounds is slightly more than my current turbocharged diesel generates but at a higher rpm. My existing Hensley hitch would be used. The specs from Ford documentation are summarized:

3,206 pounds factory front axle curb weight
2,481 pounds rear axle factory curb weight
5,687 pounds factory curb weight
36 gallon gasoline tank (36 x 6.2 lbs/gal = 234 pounds)

11,300 pounds trailer weight towing capacity
17,100 GCW pounds total vehicle and trailer weight

GAWR front 3,900 pounds
GAWR rear 4,050 pounds
7,650 pounds truck GVW
1,900 pounds truck payload

What is interesting about that payload number is that it must be decreased by the weight of all the factory installed options. A technical bulletin suggested 427 pounds in options and accessories weight for this model. The weight of gasoline is NOT mentioned as being either part of the curb weight or part of the payload.

I took the difference in weight between the scale ticket weight of the loaded car with loaded trailer attached and the scale weight of the car with only me but without the trailer and came up with about 1,300 pounds (including me) to add to the truck load.

The 25FB has a GVW of 7,300 pounds which is less than the maximum trailer towing weight. The combined weight of the truck and trailer GVW weights of 14.950 pounds is less the maximum combined towing weight limit.

The challenge occurs in defining payload. Subtracting the allowance (which may be too much without the actual build sheet for the specific truck) for options and current trailer load from the existing TV leaves a balance of 183 pounds of payload. If the weight of the gasoline must be added into the payload weight, my situation would be overloaded by 47 pounds.

Using the factory curb weight plus the options allowance and adding in gasoline, one would have 3 pounds of payload left.

The hope was to be able to carry future generator(s) and their gasoline and perhaps a small ladder to reach the awning locks on the trailer in the bed of a pickup. If the gasoline is in the base weight of the truck, I would have around 183 pounds to use for those items. Otherwise, this vehicle could be maxed out or overweight for any towing event.

The F150 could provide a softer suspension ride as far as the Airstream would be concerned. It also would be more comfortable ride for a daily vehicle without trailer and would definitely get better mileage than a larger truck.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:21 AM   #25
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All the reasons you wrote above is why I moved up to a 3/4 ton truck this year. I could not carry all the stuff I wanted in a 1/2 ton. On a crew cab I think you will find the payload somewhat less than than a standard cab or extended.
A full fuel tank is included in the curb weight.
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Lots of folks here recommending the ProPride or Hensley hitch and, while they are both reportedly excellent products, they are also very heavy. Since you'll be on the high side on payload, you might want to look at an Anderson or a Reese Dual Cam -- both much lighter and both have lots of fans on this forum.

I have pulled my 31' Sovereign about 50000 miles over the past 7 years with a 1/2 ton Nissan Titan. No problems, no complaints. You do end up in the granny lane sometimes doing 45 in third gear on your basic Rocky Mountain uphill, but it is such a small percentage of your total miles that it is a non-burden.

Big thing is get out there and have fun. There is always something neat over the next horizon.

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Question Weights....

switz,

Take the Factory published weights with a grain of salt....both Airstream AND tow vehicle....

Our TV in factory fantasy land......
CURB WEIGHT
5269 lbs.
CARGO CAPACITY, ALL SEATS IN PLACE
45.7 cu.ft.
MAXIMUM CARGO CAPACITY
131.6 cu.ft.
** When adequately equipped, which may require engine and/or other drivetrain upgrades.

In reality....


Same goes for tongue weight....
Airstream specs.....860lbs

Reality, loaded.....


Much better to have more than I need, than need more than I have.

BTW...the pub curb# is fine w/me, dmv 'ya know.


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