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Old 06-14-2014, 08:05 PM   #29
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Just found this... Can anybody comment... I'm a super crew 4x4 perhaps the earlier photo I showed was not considering thisAttachment 214228
You're getting a lot of good info, I'm not sure where you got your screenshot, but I have been researching and looking at the ecoboost myself, 2012-2013 models, and I can assure you those are not the only two payloads, each one I have looked at on the lot is slightly different, things like leather seats and sunroof affect the payload, it's wonky and confusing for sure. Just look at your own door stickers to be 100%. Whatever they say, that's what you have.

I do know that the HD Payload is not available in the short bed. So if you have a short bed, chances are no HD Payload.
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:28 PM   #30
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new to Airstream and large towing... help?

I almost had a heart attack!!!

SORRY everybody who doesn't care about an "f150 forum" chat : /

This is what I found out for those who are interested.

2012 Ford F150 ecoboost
FX4 (4x4) SuperCrew
145" wheelbase
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Trailer Tow Package

*** 1,900lbs Payload Capacity***.

That's good news
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:30 PM   #31
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You have an L6 axle with 3.73 rear electronic locking. GOOD.

here is THE towing guide for your truck:

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...VTTgdeMar1.pdf

Here is your marone sticker:

http://fordlabels.webview.biz/webvie...FW1ET2CFC99672

After looking at your marone (window sticker) and the side door sticker, you have everything you need to pull a 23' however, there is question with your wheel/tire package that you need to talk to Ford about. It appears that they put a special package on it. The wheels and tires need to carry a higher payload, ask them about this. A dealer may or may not be able to answer this but Ford can. They sound like street fancy looks but may be exactly what is bringing the payload capacity down. Hmm. Oh, and you still have to go with your sticker as it matches YOUR truck as fitted.

MikeKey is correct. HD payload is 1900 so be careful on the charts.
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Following this,

TV is a Ford F150 4x4 Supercab 163 inch. 6.5 foot bed. 3.73 rear end.

Front GAWR is 3,750, rear is 3,850.
GVWR is 7200, truck weight without trailer is 6,400.

However, I have Michelin 10 ply tires, 265/170/R17 LTX A/S, rated for 3,198 lbs, E rated tires, and I run them at 55psi. I could run them up to 80 psi. Steel valves btw.

I am looking at a Flying Cloud 25 FB, with a tongue weight of 467#s with no water or anything else. Max GCWR is 15,000#s. That does not appear to be an issue, and of course that is all the sales people pay attention to.

I am looking at the Blue Ox system because I understand I can back up with it in place.


Any comments would be appreciated...
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cmmorsey, according to your marone sticker, you have 20" passenger tires and may have wheels that are not designed for heavy loads- thus the lower payload figure. SO, in your case the tires/wheels may be the culprit. You have EVERYTHING on that truck for a powerful towing machine- power, tranny, tranny cooling kit, brake controller, etc. As mentioned, talk to Ford (reiteration, I know)



@Photbum, which engine and what year of F150?
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Pretty sure the tongue weight on a 25FB is much higher than 467. The 23FB is about that much though.
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I am looking at the Blue Ox system because I understand I can back up with it in place.
Isn't blue OX for motorhomes? Perhaps I am not familiar with it but from your comment about leaving it connected, most trailers stay completely connected during the backing process.

@mrpres: tongue weights: The 23D is 700 lbs. The 25FB is 837lbs +LP, etc.
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I was referring to the 23fb. The 23D is not a very functional floorplan.
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My mistake, 25 FC FB is 837#s. Including propane, but not water.

So i would in theory be over 7200#s. Do the tires make a difference? And a Blue Ox hitch?
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I don't understand? Seems like a light trailer for a truck that has 14,000lb towing capacity... WD and sway control should take care of towing if I've been listening ok...
On a "half ton" (F150) You will usually run out of payload before you can get anywhere near the truck's "Max Tow Rating".

Max Tow Ratings must be calculated using an empty truck with a tiny mutant driver.

Your allowable payload number includes the ACTUAL tongue weight of the trailer when ready to tow / camp. That would be propane / water / foodstuffs / clothes / etc...........Don't forget the extra weight of a W/D hitch assembly. Now pack the truck for camping.

Then go to the CAT scales............(see numerous threads on "how to")

The payload sticker on your doorjamb is for YOUR truck as equipped.
Nothing can "legally" change that..............The charts shown in Ford's brochures state "Maximum" payloads and tow ratings for various configurations - not the values for YOUR truck as equipped.

Tires, shocks, "helper" springs....none increase the payload.
Numerous "Garage Engineers" will tell you otherwise.

There are numerous "1/2 ton" pickups towing trailers that are way over rated payload - most say "No problem" - I say - "Test Pilot".

Yours a Lariat model maybe? All the options eat up payload.

FYI - The payload sticker on my lightly optioned 2013 F150 XLT SuperCrew EcoBoost 3.55 locker is 1,642 #

And yes, a F250 / C2500 (3/4 ton) will be my next truck.
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Old 06-15-2014, 01:46 AM   #40
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No need for confusion. Purchase a Reese dual cam sway control weight control hitch rated at 1000 lbs tongue weight. Have it installed by an expert.

The issue is how often one actually requires this set. Well it really is about being prepared for the times you do need it such as very windy days, unusual weight issues, and to allow the the trailer to sit level when traveling down the road. Without a weight distribution hitch your truck may be low in the back, headlights in the air, and poor steering response.

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Old 06-15-2014, 07:35 AM   #41
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Thanks Msmoto...

Based on your suggestion, a few others and some research,... I think I will go with the Reese. Thanks!
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We have the Reese dual cam and have found it very satisfactory.
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