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Old 01-20-2013, 02:35 AM   #43
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If you carefully read another Ford document, you will see that the 1,900 pound payload for the F150 did NOT include any factory options installed over the bare base model. I was looking at the King Ranch model with most accessories with the Max towing package (the max payload package is only available on a low level trim model with long bed) and the suggested allowance was nearly 500 pounds out of the 1,900 which left 1,400 pounds of payload. My actual tongue weight of 1,175 pounds (Airstream factory literature specified 833 pounds) would, in theory with the Hensley Arrow hitch, put 400 pounds on the trailer axle. My wife with all her "essentials (a purse that weighs 20 pounds)" and me with jackets etc would crowd 400 pounds. The net available payload at this point in real world numbers is under 200 pounds. Loading in a couple of generators (another reason for a pickup was to not have gasoline fumes either in the car or in the trailer from generator sets and spare gas cans) and some necessary equipment such as a bottle/jack stand at 20 pounds and a decent air compressor and the F150 was at GVW. If the Hensley threw weight onto the front axle but did not send the 400 pounds to the trailer, then I would be overloaded before finishing loading the complete camping supplies.

I was overloaded in my 2007 diesel Mercedes ML 320 CDI, so spending over $50k to have the same overload condition did not make sense to me. The Mercedes can pull the Airstream without issues, but the problem of overloaded means that there can be more wear and tear on the running gear which already has over 100,000 miles on it. The new ML models have the same payload capacity, the same axle load rating, but now can tow up to a 7,200 pound trailer (my ML is rated to tow a 5,000 pound trailer).

The 3/4 ton diesel I am looking at had the same list price as the Ford mentioned above, but the end of model year real selling price of the Diesel is about $7K less with a proven engine, brake system, payload capacity and drive train sized for the job. The Ford dealers I talked to were not discounting the EcoBoost powered trucks as they were in short supply.

I am putting together a plan to convert the diesel truck to complete air bag suspension which will provide a level ride at any load, softer ride unloaded, can be raised or lowered to ensure both the truck and trailer are level, and will be easier on the trailer.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:45 AM   #44
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My actual tongue weight of 1,175 pounds (Airstream factory literature specified 833 pounds) would, in theory with the Hensley Arrow hitch, put 400 pounds on the trailer axle.
This is why I think a good way to estimate the amount of payload taken up by the tongue weight is to just use the weight from the Airstream literature.

1,175-400=775lbs vs. Airstream 833lbs so the Airstream number gives a little extra margin till you check with a CAT scale.
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Is diesel fuel running about $.75 gallon higher than gasoline?

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Old 01-20-2013, 12:24 PM   #46
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.65 +- .05 here in WNY.

POI....payload is determined by axle & tire ratings, and CAT weights, thats about it.
Factory spec's are guesstimates at best, every TV is different.

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On SoCal it's about .50 more then regular and .20 more then premium. It does fluctuate and at times is less then premium. The only time I stressed about the cost was a few years ago when it hit a high of around 5.25 a gallon, but then everyone was stressing. Now it around $4 and I'm ok with that. I don't have my own refinery and it is a daily driver. $100 a week commitment. Don't sweat the small stuff, it's not worth it. Learn to except the things you can not change and enjoy life.
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Two weeks ago in Florida we spotted a 34' Excella triple axle Airstream. The TV was a new Ford Flex. Based on the license plates, they were about 1500 miles from home!
Where were they from..?
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If money is not going to be a deciding factor the 3/4 ton diesel would be my choice. But I want to carry a generator with 5 gallons of fuel, a huge cooler, lawn chairs, maybe my kayak, and other stuff. The larger bed with increased carrying capacity makes it easy for me to tell the DW that 'yes' she can bring whatever she wants.

All the 2011 or newer trucks are really nice. Ram, Chevy, Ford 3/4 ton or even 1 ton single rear wheel trucks will do anything you throw at it. The 1/2 ton trucks are also really nice but are much more limited in what you can carry.

For me - I would struggle between the 3/4 and 1 ton SRW trucks. If the 1 ton drives like the 3/4 ton I would get the 1ton.
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Not many Airstreamers live in a world where money doesn't matter.

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Old 01-20-2013, 03:21 PM   #51
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When you cross the CAT scales with the trailer and TV, you can get three weights: front TV axle, rear TV axle and the trailer axles. I take the trailer axles weight and add it to my static tongue weight. Thus 5,880 pounds in trailer axles and 1,175 in tongue weight equals the current static weight of the trailer or about 7,155 pounds. The trailer GVW is 7,300 pounds.

I previously weighed the TV without the trailer and with full fuel load and myself aboard. The change in TV axle weights tells me how much of the tongue weight is now resting on the TV and the rest is back on the trailer axles. I also know how much weight was transferred to the front axle by the Hensley Arrow hitch.

Without some real finess, I lack the easy way to determine individual wheel weights or even axle weights on the trailer. The assumption is that if the trailer is level, then the weight is about even on the tandem axles. I know both the axle and tire ratings for the trailer, so I can tell if I have exceeded their capacity.

The factory tongue weight is the starting point, it will not get lower. The two propane gas bottles are now full, there is some water in the tanks, there is a solar panel on the roof, there is 140 pounds of Hensley hitch on the trailer tow bar, there is both a street side and rear awning, there are power cables, water hose, etc under the front bed storage area.....

The scale tickets allow me to be sure everything is properly loaded in both the trailer and TV. It might take several passes to fine tune the weight distribution when using more modest sized TVs.
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Money usually matters to us all. It even matters to most that have more than you or I could imagine. They likely wouldn't have accrued all that money if it didn't matter to them. I've known some people that I considered very rich and also considered to be real tightwads.

That's my philosophy dissertation for today.

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I work to hard to worry about .30 or .50 a gallon for fuel. Decide what you want in life and go get it. There will always be people behind you trying to save a nickel.
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Just back from Ford store yesterday. More homework says that a 150 Laramie with AL THREE tow packages can tow >11000 which should be a tongue of 1100 or 124 # for propane and hitch. That's pretty tight but I believe that it is in the safe zone. What I like about the third package, the Heavy Duty Payload package (as noted and reccommended above to the other newbie ) is that it beefs up the important stuff I.e. axles, springs, wheels, tires, etc. Seems to almost make a 250 out of a 150 which is fine with me. BTW I also read that you could only outfit certain models but when I punched it in to the Ford pricing model it spits out a tow capacity of 11000 on the Laramie. Gotta check that with Ford. Lastly , if money didn't matter I'd have a 1964 Corvette Stingray custom designed to pull this thing! Thanks again!
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check the capacity of the ford receiver. i think it is limited to 10,500 with weight distribution.
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Just back from Ford store yesterday. More homework says that a 150 Laramie with AL THREE tow packages can tow >11000 which should be a tongue of 1100 or 124 # for propane and hitch. That's pretty tight but I believe that it is in the safe zone. What I like about the third package, the Heavy Duty Payload package (as noted and reccommended above to the other newbie ) is that it beefs up the important stuff I.e. axles, springs, wheels, tires, etc. Seems to almost make a 250 out of a 150 which is fine with me. BTW I also read that you could only outfit certain models but when I punched it in to the Ford pricing model it spits out a tow capacity of 11000 on the Laramie. Gotta check that with Ford. Lastly , if money didn't matter I'd have a 1964 Corvette Stingray custom designed to pull this thing! Thanks again!
Everyone's quick to point out how much better a 1/2 ton rides compared to a 3/4 or 1 ton, but if you're going with all those extra tow package upgrades, make sure that's what you are test driving. Stiffer springs in the front and an extra leaf in the rear spring pack makes a huge difference. Just say'in, test drive what you are actually buying. The newer Big Trucks sure ride a lot nicer than they did 3 years ago.
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